Merry Christmas boys and girls. 2009 is bye bye, and 2010 is about to dawn upon us. So here’s a question for you: what are you going to do to make 2010 better than 2009? Note down the answer, execute it, and have fun doing it.
Yippie yay.
Happy holidays and have a fabulous 2010.
Back to being drowned in the sounds of Nina Simone.
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Merry Christmas to you, too. It’s been great reading you this year.
My first step for a better world is very simple: To drop plastic bags. What’s yours?
I’m with Geir, drop plastic as much as possible. I will spend my money on sustainable products as much as possible.
Have a wonderful year!
I am going to be kinder and more patient..except with the French.
Howie , I’m going to be kinder and more patient too
except twith the inflated Rambos of America
Marie Claude..
Next time Germany invades…call the Algerians
“Next time Germany invades…call the Algerians”
Score!
I do wonder whether any American is really as arrogant as Americans would be entitled to be considering that time and again they paid with thousands of their own lives for the freedom of others.
AB…
Hey…look at the name man…Marie Claude…sexual identity crisis if ever I saw one!!!!
But the only reason I hate the French is because I once got conned into investing my retirement money into a French company that went broke and I lost everything.
Do you know what their product was? Women’s hair removal kits and women’s let and underarm shavers!!!!
I hate them AB…do you understand me? I hate them for that!!!
AB…
At least you Irish gave us Guinness dammit…
I love those records AB…larges pita and all that…bless you guys!
LOL, you guys are nuts.
And yes, DAMN the French, and the Americans. And the Germans. And the Algerians AAAND the stinking Irish!!! Damn them all!!!
And Happy New Year to you too.
Drima…
Yes…let’s hope for a good year…agreed my friend.
So I just came across this blog.
Mental note for making 2010 better; keep checking out this blog. Possibly try to lure this Drima dude into writing about YOU! =P
Have a great year!
I didn’t have a good month. In fact November really sucked too. But it’s getting better now.
AB…
A good friend of mine just had his prostate removed yesterday…
Don’t bitch
Sudaniya…
When you read us…understand we mix a lot of poking fun at each other with the more serious stuff…so bring your sense of humor and welcome. It is a very interesting site.
Howie
you should land before it’s too late, Dday glory is a prison for your minds, it keeps you above the clouds
how many wars did you win since WWII ?
call the Algerians, it’s a good idea they were valorous colonial soldiers, uh they took a pin out of Patton and Montgomery’s feet at Monte Cassino, without them, the altals warriors, you would still be stuck there, in spite of the myriads of bombs that you laucnched fromm 25000 miles height
Atlas warriors ment
Hey…look at the name man…Marie Claude…sexual identity crisis if ever I saw one!!!!
uh may be you “rz too worried with your prostate LMAO
I ‘m glad you were broke because of our hair pit shavers
Andrew Breme, ever you will forgot that 100000 french soldiers died in Dunkeerke for that the Brits soldiers could escape to England in 1940, not counting the france libre and the colonial army !
That our war casualties are more than 3 times ahead of the Americans, yes, ! sldiers, resistants, and US/GB bombings
but for you we were surrending, hmm what was the retreat of Dunkeerke for the Brits ?
Drima
http://www.curiosphere.tv/video-documentaire/25-histoire-geo-et-civilisations/103916-reportage-lennemi-intime-said-le-soldat-harki
check what Said says !
Suzette Jacques…
Dream on…and while you are at it…please keep your Pugoet and your Renault or sell them to al Qaida please….oh and your stinking, putrid Pierre water and tasteless croissants…and while you are at it…why don’t you start pronouncing your damn consonants….
Hey…we know that the French tanks had only one gear…reverse!!! If it wasn’t for the Americans…you guys would be speaking German and your poor women would probably have to shave and even bathe.
owned
MC
Of course I OWNED you…I am American…we have brought the world;
O.J. Simpson
Tiger Woods
French Fries
Gallo Wine
Chevy Chevette
Invasion of Granada
Dan Quayle
Bud Lite
Burger King
Porky’s Movie Series
5 Rocky Movies
The Corvair
American Idol
Monica Lewinsky
The Osmonds
Tammy Faye
Texas
Charles Bronson
Studebakers
Frisbee Golf
Alvin and the Chipmunks
LSD
Marlboro Man
The Cheeseburger
Stripper Poles
Pamela Anderson
Grand Funk Railroad
Rattlesnake Handlers Christian Cult
Charles Manson
Tiny Tim
And don’t let me leave out the one treasure no Frenchman would deny was the greatest gift to French people:
Jerry Lewis movies…
Oh course you are owned…
bad looser , but your listing is funny
Marie Claude as usual ham fisted and given to making up facts didn’t even bother to notice that there were only 34,000 Allied casualties in all the battles to secure the Dunkirk evacuation point. And another 30,000 wounded and captured. Most of the BEF and the Frenh 1st Infantry Division were taken off the beaches. And those “colonials” that she speaks of were elements of Sikorski’s Polish infantry and paratroop brigades that finally broke through at Monte Cassino.
And again the most effective use of the very capable Renault light tank was after their capture by the Germans, rebadged and sent across the broken ground around Dunkirk which was unsuitable for the heavier tanks just being deployed to Rommel and von Rundstedt.
ah, Pat Paterson the revisitor historian that got his grades at the americanism propaganda university!
I already had the delight to cross his words elsewhere
now, too bad the true historians, not those that are sucking anglo-american ever moral and heroic milck, have another reading of the event
http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/getting-to-the-truth-about-world-war-ii.aspx
and
http://www.chapitre.com/CHAPITRE/fr/BOOK/richardot-jean-pierre/100-000-morts-oublies-la-bataille-de-france-10-mai-25-juin-1940,22133465.aspx
I understand that you can’t read a frenchwritten book
ah I forgot
http://batailles.histoireetcollections.com/publication/2289/batailles-n-34-juin-2009.html
they were not your valorous soldiers, but your servitors, and also the ones tho met the string to hang them when they were more often than the whites condamned for raping
“There is Anglo/American bullsh!t all over the web about this battle.
Fighters of every nation did there duty and well, but the fact is that it’s the French Expeditionary Corp in Italy that are the most directly responsible for making the decisive breakthrough, which led to the German decision to withdraw from Monte Cassino and lead to the final victory.
I know that’s not the “official” Anglo version and even I’m quite sure we’ll find some moron jocking about French, but it’s simply the truth and the Germans agree with that.”
oh I forgot you like sources
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30646&page=4
I see nothing in any of these links that contradicts anything I said. Are you still claiming that the French lost 100,000 soldiers at Dunkirk? Patton was in England and Montgomery’s 8th Army was advancing up the Adriatic coast of Italy and had nothing to do with the fighting in the Monte Cassino area. And actually most accounts of the battle attribute the advances the American commanded French-Morrocan formations in securing Monte Maio in a flanking manuever which then forced Kesselring to withdraw the remaining troops from Monte Cassino and fall back to the next line of defense.
If you can’t get the facts right then why should anyone pay any attention to your analysis. And using as a source a comment on an obscure website certainly does not bolster your argument.
“Are you still claiming that the French lost 100,000 soldiers at Dunkirk?”
I know you enough for not admitting the possibility of it
BUT it’s in historian books, not in the neocon acamy’s ones
yeah, your facts recolored at your fashion, too bad for you, that there is internet where we can find true sources too !
Matbe you should read one of those history books rather than someone else’s version. What is argued and agreed upon is that the French suffered 100,000 casualties between the time Germany invaded and the surrender. Are you arguing that from the very beginning of the war the French were planning to lose and evacuate as many as possible for the entire 47 days? If that is the case then France has more to be ashamed of then previously thought possible in that they had given up in April so that most of the army could be chewed up by the smaller number of German troops and their lighter tanks?
BTW, that figure for total casualties suffered by France also includes those of the Vichy forces. So many died fighting the allies and not as allies.
“If that is the case then France has more to be ashamed of then previously ”
you’re supposed to know, you call yourself “historian”
most of your fellows opinionists that I have read on PJM agree that the 6 weeks war of april/may 1940 was a french and an english defeat
“the surrender” that ever pleases you, occured between the Brits retreat and the well known 18 th of june, but most of the casualties occured before and during the Brits retreat.
I don’t expect you to be honest, you never were as far as our history is concerned , beside we already discussed these points on the german blog
Vichy is another story, but you’re using it as a godwin argument
and I’m also taking the godwin excuse to not reply to any of your bashings anymore, but you could freely pursue this matter on “NoPasaran” (where you are a chrystal member), the place that likes to “f*ck France” (also another site that expresses admiration towards us)
Ah, this is the picking up the marbles and going home school of scholarship. And as usual you have not responded to the question rather simply a string of silly ad hominems. Show one citation that refers to the 100,000 figure as part of the retreat to Dunkirk as I have honestly never seen that claimed except by you. Even your link to Miquelon referes to the entire first phase of the war from invasion to embarkation.
But then by admitting that “…but most of the casualties occured before and during the Brits retreat,” you have indeed made the matter of casualties a before and after event. But then you muddle the point by implying that all casualties were part of a rearguard action from day one till the end. Which is it?
And as I have pointed out many times not one of the so-called charges you make concerning my writings are true else you would have quoted them to prove your charge of bias. But I continue to regard your arguments as lacking in knowledge of your own history and as such can take very little of your commentary, when it is understandable, as anything other than a string of gibberish without even a veneer of accuracy.
En mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés.
… Lire la suite
Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués.
Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach.
En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
Quatrième de couvertureEn mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés. Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués. Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach. En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
En mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés.
… Lire la suite
Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués.
Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach.
En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
Quatrième de couvertureEn mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés. Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués. Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach. En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
En mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés.
… Lire la suite
Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués.
Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach.
En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
Quatrième de couvertureEn mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés. Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués. Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach. En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
En mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés.
… Lire la suite
Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués.
Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach.
En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
Quatrième de couvertureEn mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés. Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués. Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach. En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
En mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés.
… Lire la suite
Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués.
Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach.
En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
Quatrième de couvertureEn mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés. Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués. Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach. En 1940, nos soldats voulaient poursuivre les hostilités. Jamais le peuple français n’a appelé Pétain au pouvoir. C’est un coup d’Etat, avec faux et usage de faux, qui a permis aux généraux français antirépublicains de livrer nos soldats à l’ennemi, de les menacer du conseil de guerre s’ils continuaient à se battre. Ce sont nos généraux, parfaitement incompétents et dépassés, qui ont rompu avec l’Angleterre et placé notre pays sous la tutelle nazie.
http://www.chapitre.com/CHAPITRE/fr/BOOK/richardot-jean-pierre/100-000-morts-oublies-la-bataille-de-france-10-mai-25-juin-1940,22133465.aspx
now, vas te faire foutre vieux schnock !
The first paragraph essentially agrees with my statement that the total was over 100,000 for the entire period leading up to the evacuation of allied troops at Dunkirk. It clearly does not say there were 100,000 casualties at Dunkirk as you claimed. “Andrew Breme, ever you will forgot that 100000 french soldiers died in Dunkeerke for that the Brits soldiers could escape to England in 1940, not counting the france libre and the colonial army.” Do you now wish to change your original claim to a somewhat lower figure as your longer quote suggests?
BTW, since World War II America has lost one war, Vietnam. We and NATO won the Cold War, won in Korea by preventing the North from taking over the South, and won in Iraq judging by the most recent reports of zero American casualties for December and a somewhat shaky democracy there that continues to survive. Maybe the question should be exactly how many wars has France won since World War II?
I can only guess, considering the hash you made in interpreting your long quote that perhaps French is not your native language either?
you’re are a twisted mind that still wants to make people believe that you are a great nation, the moral and the soul of the good America died with your fathers in WWII
So pointing out that you have played fast and loose with the facts is still not worthy of a response. Look when you make such wild misappropriations of facts you are bound to get caught. Calling the person that points this out does not advance your argument other than raising the point that you simply do not know what you are talking about. I will quote again, “Andrew Breme, ever you will forgot that 100000 french soldiers died in Dunkeerke for that the Brits soldiers could escape to England in 1940, not counting the france libre and the colonial army.” Is this a factual statement or not?
Or this nugget, “…call the Algerians, it’s a good idea they were valorous colonial soldiers, uh they took a pin out of Patton and Montgomery’s feet at Monte Cassino, without them, the altals warriors, you would still be stuck there, in spite of the myriads of bombs that you laucnched fromm 25000 miles height.” Was Patton in Italy or Montgomery within a hundred miles of Monte Cassino? And what plane in use during World War II could drop bombs from 25,000 miles above the ground? BTW, its launch a ship, boat or a torpedo but drop a bomb, a hint or send an Asterix and Obelix film to the US.
And considering what a disastrous two centuries France has been forced to endure I wouldn’t even attempt to name the date when it lost its soul and moral compass.
Pat Paterson, I guess that you’re one of my most ardent net lovers, you’re stalking me only in discret places LMAO
“And considering what a disastrous two centuries France has been forced to endure I wouldn’t even attempt to name the date when it lost its soul and moral compass.”
ol right we are a third world country with tribal fights against our neighbourgs
but you’re only missionary of the America sanctuary for moral people, uh, if I remember, they came from Europe too, and they weren’t the classiest of them, so I guess that America is making the reverse psychology, it wants to teach us morals, but also it wants us remnently bowing to their god “capitalism”, see where your morals led you –> bankrupt, of course not for the richest, that become more rich, the rest is unuseful scum !
uh, too bad our economy is faring better than yours these days !
might be that our sense of grandeur was more realistic than yours, uh we didn’t let Saudi Arabia and China buy our “grandeur” debts, we buy them ourselves !
Can you attempt to stick to your points and defend the statements you made and that I quoted? Or is this topic changing par for the course? And if you do ask a question then perhaps you might consider that the answer might not please you. You were the one who brought up Dunkirk, casualty rates, wars won and the snide remark about America losing its morals and soul. But describing France as, “… a third world country,” reveals more about how you view your country then I have ever done.
BTW, I came to this site mainly because of your claim to have put down Howie. I’m still searching in vain for that blinding riposte!
did it occur to your obsessional mind that I was JOKING with Howie ?
but you’aren’t able to make the difference like him,
I volontary parodied your misconception on whatever is french
NO NEED to respond to your tatillonnerie, you just don’t want a normal discussion with me but subjugating me with your twisted inquisition
enjoy your superior life, it doesn”t make more cold or hot for me
opportunly I had the occasion to bring this annecdote somewhere else, as it still in my “copy” key, I’m leaving it to your nitpicking mind
On the same day, Jones’ already cool relationship with Alliance’s commanding officer, Capt. Pierre Landais–a former officer in the French Navy who had gone to America under the sponsorship of Silas Dean and had received a captain’s commission in the Continental Navy from Congress’ Marine Committee–were further strained to a dangerous degree. Jones had sensed the calm’s coming on and–realizing that any of his ships becalmed close to the Irish shore would be in great danger of being captured–denied Landais permission to pursue a vessel that had been sighted in shoal water just outside the breaker line. On the afternoon of the 24th, Landais, who had long disliked Jones, visited the flagship and insultingly berated Jones while announcing that he would obey no future orders from the commodore; but, instead, would follow his own judgement in all matters
olright, I gave the link, but it was in the context of the thread, where the author had put the exemple of the Dutchman as a heroic european action, quality that is generally denied to us by your fellows correligionnaires of the neoconnerie, thus, my snarky input on the heroic acts of our muslims in the colonial army were still denied by the same people too, as well as our d ieds during the 6 weeks war of 1940,
then you came to exhibit your ol numero : you are the world most effective and moral heros, and that we are all surrender monkeys
Did 1000,000 French die at Dunkirk? Was Patton in Italy? Were there bombers capable of dropping bombs from 25,000 miles in altitude? Quit skating around what you said and changing the subject. And since you probably didn’t read Kaplan’s article then what the heck are you on about now?
you’re one of only ones left that doesn’t want to acknoledge it
but be sure that arrmy historians know it, not in your favorite reading of course !
25000 miles was a joke (anyway it was a reply from an American when I was arguing it was 10000 miles)
Kaplan, of course, I always read the stuff before commenting !
now learn the true history about Monte Cassino
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa6×2q_la-bataille-du-mont-cassin-janvierm_news
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/AmirMitrovica/video/xa79ag_la-bataille-du-mont-cassin-janvierm_news
“you are the world most effective and moral heros, and that we are all surrender monkeys”
Well..nice to know there is at least one honest Frenchman.
Last chance to appear slightly honest. Were there 100,000 French dead in Dunkirk? Was Patton in Italy or was Montgomery involved in the Battle at Monte Cassino? What countries troops were first into the monastery? And what the heck has Landais’ insubordination have to do with French heroism or cowardice?
Plus you might want to reconsider that little factlet concerning Pierre Landais since he barely survived a mutiny on board the Alliance, had his command taken away from him by both the French and the Americans and to compound his reputation challenged Jones to a duel, forbidden during wartime, and then abscounded for Paris when he found that Jones agreed and stipulated the duel to be pistols at ten paces. Oops!
Patton wasn’t in Monte cassino, but his 7th army landed in Sicilia and south Italia, his bad temper and prejudices over the Italians made him a bad reputation, so he isn’t known for having led the Monte Cassino battle, but rather the Montgomery troops
http://beaucoudray.free.fr/patton.htm
uh still finding some louses Herr Paterson into the french volontary for your war of Independence.
It would have been wise for Louis XVI to listen to his economy minister, Necker, to leave your fate under the crown of England
and you would be still learning how to have tea time , tea à la menthe nowadays !
Patton wasn’t in Monte cassino, but his 7th army landed in Sicilia and south Italia, his bad temper and prejudices over the Italians made him a bad reputation, so he isn’t known for having led the Monte Cassino battle, but rather Montgomery
http://beaucoudray.free.fr/patton.htm
uh still finding some louses Herr Paterson into the french volontary for your war of Independence.
It would have been wise for Louis XVI to listen to his economy minister, Necker, to leave your fate under the crown of England
and you would be still learning how to have tea time , tea à la menthe nowadays !
Howie, I understand that you have a Monkey brain, but I congratuled you though, you can manage to take the words for their first meaning
Landais died of his natural death in America in 1820
What countries troops were first into the monastery
check the videos !
you failed, the Brits failed, the common wealth troops failed, the french and colonials manage to scrath the german defense
The Poles intervened only after that the french had opened the breach, and it was a matter of self proudness to be at the top of the mount before the Brits
BUT WITHOUT THE FRENCH AND THE COLONIALS, your chiefs and the Brits’ were on surrending the place !
Landais was a patton bis, a ba tempered man, but not a coward
I’ll respond to the last claim first, Landais was most definitely a coward, he fled to Paris when he discovered that his challenge of a duel with John Paul Jones had been accepted. I think that would be judged cowardice in any country. He was a bad captain, a worse subordinate and worst of all a political naif in thinking that the Continental Congress would give him overall command and that the French court would support his claims.
And when you post a link I would suggest that you read the entire link as the author clearly places Patton in England and identifies Gen Alexander as the commander of that TO. Patton was removed from command after an incident where he struck an enlisted man, who refused to bring charges, but as to his attitude towards Italians I can only assume that you visit psychics to get that information.
The 7th Army was never in Italy but did land in Sicily with Montgomery’s 8th Army. Then the 7ths next combat was in southern France not Italy. Montogomery and the 8th Army were on the east coast of Italy trying to turn the east flank of the Gustav line via the main Appenine routes and a series of small landings up the Adriatic coast. He was not involved in the battle at Monte Cassino except for being in the same TO. The command of the forces around Monte Cassino was held by Gen Alexander not Montgomery. Since there were no French troops or their colonial auxillaries involved in the 3rd or 4th phase of attacking Monte Cassino I’m not to sure what “breach” you are referring. The French were miles away turning the western flank of the Gustav which I have never denied that they accomplished.
I’ts blunders, and continuing historical blunders, like this that make your arguments little more than knee jerk reactions to imaginary insults to France. If you disagree with me then I’ll assume from now on that you are anti-American without ever having to make any comment that is anti-American. Plus I’m still waiting for proof that 100,000 Frenchmen died in Dunkirk or maybe an admission that you got the time period mixed up. BTW, mixed in without all those retreating Brits were some 139,000 French soldiers that were ferried across the channel to England.
Sure that you couldn’t but find Landais a coward , not in any sources though, but your own interpretation
So °Patton was in Italy in the first place, but removed because of his bad behaviour (not only because he slapped the face of an american soldier ) period !
Sure general Alewander was at Monte Cassino, but the general commandement of the allied forces in Italy were under Mongomery’s direction
you’re a history denier, the French troops that General Juin led in Monte Cassino Assault, again visual reports and direct recordings of alliees officers in the above videos are the best witnesses, that you ever would be able to bring as proved facts for your french bashings
ah they were 139000 french soldiers on the ferries, you were claiming up to now that they all surrendered ! for the french casualties, I repeat for the X time , put your glasses on !
if you cant read the real facts, you must have some old PTSD that blur and twist your neurones
F*ckFrance.com is your right place among the other spicy jackasses for ranting against us.
L’opération de rupture de la ligne Gustav est initialement confiée à la 2e division d’infanterie marocaine (2e DIM), ” le bélier du CEF ” selon l’expression de Juin, qui doit s’emparer pour cette mission des monts Faito et Majo (ou Maio). L’offensive générale des Alliés se déclenche le soir du 11 mai 1944, à 23 h, sur l’ensemble du front italien. Une intense préparation d’artillerie de 2 000 canons précède l’attaque. Mais dans le secteur de la 2e DIM ce bombardement n’arrose que les crêtes, sans détruire le dispositif de défense allemand (blockhaus, barbelés, mines…), qui sillonne les pentes que doivent gravir les tirailleurs marocains avant de pouvoir s’emparer des sommets. Pire, dans les autres secteurs d’attaque du CEF, comme celui de la 4e division marocaine de montagne (4e DMM), aucune préparation d’artillerie n’a lieu. Cet assaut va s’avérer redoutable ! Les régiments de la 2e DIM se lancent ainsi à l’attaque dans une nuit noire… et rouge du sang des tirailleurs marocains, au cours de combats souvent confus et très meurtriers. Durant cette nuit apocalyptique, le courage des soldats marocains n’a eu d’égal que la témérité de leurs officiers mais la ligne Gustav tient toujours. Juin décide la reprise de l’offensive pour la nuit suivante, après une préparation d’artillerie plus importante et mieux ciblée. Très tôt dans la matinée du 13 mai, c’est la ruée des tirailleurs marocains sur les positions allemandes, ravagées par le ” rouleau de feu ” des canons français, qui finissent par céder. La prise du mont Majo par les troupes marocaines de la 2e DIM est saluée par un drapeau français de 30 m2 hissé à son sommet (940 mètres) et visible à des kilomètres à la ronde, par les troupes du CEF comme par les Allemands
and:
http://www.interet-general.info/article.php3?id_article=173
The last sentence in the above quote makes it quite clear that the French Expeditionary Force was at Monte Maio not Monte Cassino. ” La prise du mont Majo par les troupes marocaines de la 2e DIM est saluée par un drapeau français de 30 m2 hissé à son sommet (940 mètres) et visible à des kilomètres à la ronde, par les troupes du CEF comme par les Allemands” Maps of Operation Diadem show the French miles from Monte Cassino to the west.. Their flanking motion while important turned out to be of little use as the Germans retreated to the Hitler Line in an orderly manner. The hoped for enveloping manuever by the French and the allies to the east never happened.
Patton was removed from command in August of 1943 and sent to SHAEF in England to head up the nonexistent First US Army Group while the invasion of Italy was in September later that same year with Gen Mark Clark as American commander under Gen Alexander, who as I keep explaining was allied commander and outranked Gen Montgomery who was at least 100 miles from Monte Cassino. Insisting of Patton’s presence in Italy and that Montgomery would have theater command and not outrank the senior officer in the field is delusional.
I never said all the French surrendered that must be another of your psychic messages but what I said was that instead of 100,000 dying in Dunkirk some 34,000 were killed in the week defending the embarkation and another 30,000 were captured. 139,000 were safely evacuated to Britain and they were either kept there for the defense of England and then when the Battle of Britain was won DeGaulle used them to reclaim bits of the French colonial departments. That 100,000 figure, probably an accurate estimate, was for the total number of casualties from the fighting in the Low Countries, the gap in the line which Rommel exploited when the French Army tried to relieve those units being chewed up in the north, and obviously those tht stayed so that their fellow countrymen could escape as wel as all the other members of the allied army and then the sporadic fighting in southern France until the surrender.
Quatrième de couvertureEn mai-juin 1940, plus de 100 000 hommes se sont fait tuer sur place pour défendre la France et l’Angleterre, dont ils ont sauvé le corps expéditionnaire à Dunkerque. Ce livre est leur histoire. Au cours des 47 jours de la bataille, à maintes reprises, en Ardennes, Argonne, Flandre, Picardie, Normandie (Saint-Valéry-en-Caux), à Dunkerque, et devant Lyon, la proportion de soldats français tués en résistant à l’invasion a atteint 90 % des effectifs engagés. Les Allemands ont eu par jour plus de 2 000 soldats mis hors de combat, dont une moitié de tués. Nos pères et grands-pères se sont aussi bien battus que les Américains quatre ans plus tard à Omaha Beach.
“ Since there were no French troops or their colonial auxillaries involved in the 3rd or 4th phase of attacking Monte Cassino I’m not to sure what “breach” you are referring. The French were miles away turning the western flank of the Gustav which I have never denied that they accomplished. ”
Le 11 mai 1944, à 23h00, les alliés ont déclenché une nouvelle offensive contre la Ligne Gustav. Après un massif bombardement d’artillerie, l’infanterie s’est mise à avancer. Pendant trois jours, les progrès ont été très réduits. Les Polonais ont subi de lourdes pertes pendant l’assaut de Monte Cassino. Par contre, les 4 divisions françaises du général Juin ont progressé relativement vite à travers la région montagneuse qui s’étend au-delà du Garigliano, ne rencontrant qu’une seule division allemande.
Le 14 mai, les Français ont fait irruption dans la vallée de l’Ausente et les Allemands ont commencé à se replier en toute hâte devant leur avance. Le général Juin a saisi l’occasion pour envoyer une partie de ses troupes s’emparer de la Ligne Hitler, dans la vallée du Liri, avant qu’elle ait pu être renforcée. Le repli allemand a permis aux Américains d’accélérer leur progression sur la route côtière.
Dans le secteur de Monte Cassino, les Allemands ont résisté encore plusieurs jours. Mais, dans la nuit du 17 mai 1944, ils se sont enfin repliés et, le lendemain matin, les Polonais ont fait leur entrée dans les ruines du monastère, après plusieurs tentatives qui leur avaient coûtées près de 4000 hommes.
Le 10 mai, le général Juin, trouvant les attaques alliées aussi vaines que coûteuses, organisa un plan qui consistait en la prise des sommets dominants la vallée. Après avoir convaincu les généraux américains et anglais - qui n’étaient pas enthousiastes à cette idée - dont dépendait le corps expéditionnaire français, Juin mit son plan à exécution.
Le 13 mai, les Français occupaient le confluent du Liri et du Garigliano, les troupes du général Juin étaient parvenues à creuser une brèche de 25 km de large sur 12 km de profondeur dans la redoutable ligne Gustav. Mais pendant ce temps, les Polonais butèrent face aux défense allemandes devant Cassino, les Britanniques se maintenaient avec difficulté sur le Rapido et les Américains piétinaient devant Santa Maria. Mais cela n’arrêta pas la progression alliée
BUT YOU SAID ALL THE WAY LONG THAT WE WERE COWARDS AND YOUR QUOTE ” I wouldn’t even attempt to name the date when it lost its soul and moral compass”
Maybe the question should be exactly how many wars has France won since World War II
WWII,
Algeria war,
http://www.rue89.com/lignes-de-fronts/2009/09/12/guerre-dalgerie-benjamin-stora-revisite-le-choix-de-de-gaulle
each anti-terrorist interventions our special forces undertook were successful :
“Mecca” under Giscard’s regime, Kolvezy, Alger plane hijack… anti piracy controls in Somalia…
BUT OF COURSE WE ARE SURRENDER MONKEYS, just because your propagandists didn’t appreciate that we didn’t follow you in the “adventurous campain of the 2n gulf war
I still have in mind the image of the Americans leaving Saigon before that the Viets invested the city
We and NATO won the Cold War, won in Korea by preventing the North from taking over the South, and won in Iraq judging by the most recent reports of zero American casualties for December and a somewhat shaky democracy there that continues to survive.
cold war was initiated by your RAND lobby in the first place, it helped the american arm industry to survive after the end of WWII, in creating jobs, in supporting research in the arms domain, in selling them to Nato countries and America’s alliees, in making hudge benefits with such trades, but, in counterpart, in forgetting the domestic industry, that went to asiatic ountries, and now completely asiatic, also the main cause of your nowadays collapse, like for Russia who was pushed into the arms race by your brillant RAND brains, and this rather the collapse of their economy with such ultimatums , and your help to the Talibans that made Russia collapsing, but the irony, is that you are experiencing the same misaventure, for the same reasons.
Korea ? hmm say, then we managed to have a south Vietnam too !
Irak war ? but not for the Iraki, that still encounter lots of casualties , fast each weeks, while your army is stuck behing their fortified camps
France won in Algeria? I’m sure that must be a surprise to the Algerian government and the pied noirs. South Korea is independent of the North and as I noted Vietnam was a loss. If you really believe that the RAND Corp started and urged along the Cold War then there really is nothing I can say except to wonder just how often you post from bars. Sending in a special ops team doesn’t really count as a war and you know it unless that is all the French military can claim in the last 60 years. Well, I should mention that they did sink the Rainbow Warrior. Is that considered a win?
BTW, the Taliban didn’t even exist during the fighting to drive the Russians out and the US did not fund them in any way. If you assume that every contradiction of facts, and most of the ones you offered are not only false but silly, is anti-French then tough. Get on in the real world and stop whining about all those people picking on poor defenseless France. You simply cannot make France a better place by simply blaming all your woes on someone else.
My quote is quite specific and it makes no mention of cowardice and I should remind you that it was in your comment about how America had lost its way that started that little tempest.
“would be a surprise for the Algerian government and the pied noirs”
Benjamen Stora a true historian and an expert of this war doesn’t say anything else, but as usual you don’t like my sources.
Independence of Algeria was already in De Gaulle agenda when a kind of a putch from the french generals in Algeria brought him to power in 1958. (ie his discourse in Video cf link)
Though he had to prepear the Pieds Noirs and the french population. Until then the rebels were harshly fought, in the meanwhile negotiations were opened in Evian with the FLN leaders on the conditions to let Algeria access to its independence., among then, how the french population and the harquis would be treated then. While de Gaulle was preapring a referrendum, 70 % of the French nationals and Algerians pronounced for Independence.
Not the whole population of pieds noirs was expected to leave Algeria, according the the insurances that the french negociators had from their algerian counterpart.
But it wasn’t counting with the spirit of revenge from the FLN fighters, what was set as a pacifical independence, became ” the suitcase or the coffin”. the pieds noirs chose the suit case, but the still major shame of de Gaulle decision was to not let the harquis chose the suite case, lots of them were massacred by the FLN.
Also you can’t say that Algeria war was a defeat as far as militaries are concerned , still our “criss crossing” tactic of the cities (dating from Algeria war) is teached in the army academias, and Petraeus applied it in Irak too
RAND and CMI are well known for lobbying your successive governments
http://www.dedefensa.org/article-rand_le_coeur_et_la_raison_du_cmi_et_de_l_americanisme_07_05_2008.html
It was believed that the U.S. could afford both a massive military establishment and a high standard of living, and that it needed both to maintain full employment. But it did not work out that way. By the 1960s, it was becoming apparent that turning over the nation’s largest manufacturing enterprises to the Department of Defense and producing goods without any investment or consumption value was starting to crowd out civilian economic activities. The historian Thomas E. Woods, Jr., observes that, during the 1950s and 1960s, between one-third and two-thirds of all American research talent was siphoned off into the military sector. It is, of course, impossible to know what innovations never appeared as a result of this diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military, but it was during the 1960s that we first began to notice Japan was outpacing us in the design and quality of a range of consumer goods, including household electronics and automobiles.
nah, my info come from the attic not from the bars, but you’re a good client for the bars !
BTW, I investigated from the above link, it sas so “amazing” for me that certain EU leaders were bought by the quoted lobby
http://mysoupis.blogspot.com/2008/12/klaus-as-eu-president-could-change.html
the Taliban didn’t even exist during the fighting to drive the Russians out and the US did not fund them in any way. If you assume that every contradiction of facts, and most of the ones you offered are not only false but silly, is anti-French then tough. Get on in the real world and stop whining about all those people picking on poor defenseless France. You simply cannot make France a better place by simply blaming all your woes on someone else.
not what Gordon Thomas says in his book “the secret arms of the CIA”, too bad I reread the book during my last vacations, and you would be surprised that there many other “surpises” that you have no ides of
My quote is quite specific and it makes no mention of cowardice
your comments weren’t but only about that
and I am not whinning I am just contradicting your arrogant contempt
“would be a surprise for the Algerian government and the pied noirs”
Benjamen Stora a true historian and an expert of this war doesn’t say anything else, but as usual you don’t like my sources.
Independence of Algeria was already in De Gaulle agenda when a kind of a putch from the french generals in Algeria brought him to power in 1958. (ie his discourse in Video cf link)
Though he had to prepear the Pieds Noirs and the french population. Until then the rebels were harshly fought, in the meanwhile negotiations were opened in Evian with the FLN leaders on the conditions to let Algeria access to its independence., among then, how the french population and the harquis would be treated then. While de Gaulle was preapring a referrendum, 70 % of the French nationals and Algerians pronounced for Independence.
Not the whole population of pieds noirs was expected to leave Algeria, according the the insurances that the french negociators had from their algerian counterpart.
But it wasn’t counting with the spirit of revenge from the FLN fighters, what was set as a pacifical independence, became ” the suitcase or the coffin”. the pieds noirs chose the suit case, but the still major shame of de Gaulle decision was to not let the harquis chose the suite case, lots of them were massacred by the FLN.
Also you can’t say that Algeria war was a defeat as far as militaries are concerned , still our “criss crossing” tactic of the cities (dating from Algeria war) is teached in the army academias, and Petraeus applied it in Irak too
RAND and CMI are well known for lobbying your successive governments
http://www.dedefensa.org/article-rand_le_coeur_et_la_raison_du_cmi_et_de_l_americanisme_07_05_2008.html
It was believed that the U.S. could afford both a massive military establishment and a high standard of living, and that it needed both to maintain full employment. But it did not work out that way. By the 1960s, it was becoming apparent that turning over the nation’s largest manufacturing enterprises to the Department of Defense and producing goods without any investment or consumption value was starting to crowd out civilian economic activities. The historian Thomas E. Woods, Jr., observes that, during the 1950s and 1960s, between one-third and two-thirds of all American research talent was siphoned off into the military sector. It is, of course, impossible to know what innovations never appeared as a result of this diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military, but it was during the 1960s that we first began to notice Japan was outpacing us in the design and quality of a range of consumer goods, including household electronics and automobiles.
nah, my info come from the attic not from the bars, but you’re a good client for the bars !
BTW, I investigated from the above link, it sas so “amazing” for me that certain EU leaders were bought by the quoted lobby
http://mysoupis.blogspot.com/2008/12/klaus-as-eu-president-could-change.html
the Taliban didn’t even exist during the fighting to drive the Russians out and the US did not fund them in any way. If you assume that every contradiction of facts, and most of the ones you offered are not only false but silly, is anti-French then tough. Get on in the real world and stop whining about all those people picking on poor defenseless France. You simply cannot make France a better place by simply blaming all your woes on someone else.
not what Gordon Thomas says in his book “the secret arms of the CIA”, too bad I reread the book during my last vacations, and you would be surprised that there many other “surpises” that you have no ides of
My quote is quite specific and it makes no mention of cowardice
your comments weren’t but only about that
And I am not whinning but contradicting your arrogant contempt
(I dunno what’s going on with my key board ! I wanted to copy hlaf of my comment ant the whole comment section came on the line, Drima sorry)
It was believed that the U.S. could afford both a massive military establishment and a high standard of living, and that it needed both to maintain full employment. But it did not work out that way. By the 1960s, it was becoming apparent that turning over the nation’s largest manufacturing enterprises to the Department of Defense and producing goods without any investment or consumption value was starting to crowd out civilian economic activities. The historian Thomas E. Woods, Jr., observes that, during the 1950s and 1960s, between one-third and two-thirds of all American research talent was siphoned off into the military sector. It is, of course, impossible to know what innovations never appeared as a result of this diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military, but it was during the 1960s that we first began to notice Japan was outpacing us in the design and quality of a range of consumer goods, including household electronics and automobiles.
nah, my info come from the attic not from the bars, but you’re a good client for the bars !
BTW, I investigated from the above link, it was so “amazing” for me that certain EU leaders were bought by the quoted lobby
http://mysoupis.blogspot.com/2008/12/klaus-as-eu-president-could-change.html
the Taliban didn’t even exist during the fighting to drive the Russians out and the US did not fund them in any way. If you assume that every contradiction of facts, and most of the ones you offered are not only false but silly, is anti-French then tough. Get on in the real world and stop whining about all those people picking on poor defenseless France. You simply cannot make France a better place by simply blaming all your woes on someone else.
not what Gordon Thomas says in his book “the secret arms of the CIA”, too bad I reread the book during my last vacations, and you would be surprised that there many other “surpises” that you have no ides of
My quote is quite specific and it makes no mention of cowardice
your comments weren’t but only about that
And I am not whinning but contradicting your arrogant contempt
(I dunno what’s going on with my key board ! I wanted to copy half of my comment ant the whole comment section came on the line, Drima sorry)
Olright, here we go
It was believed that the U.S. could afford both a massive military establishment and a high standard of living, and that it needed both to maintain full employment. But it did not work out that way. By the 1960s, it was becoming apparent that turning over the nation’s largest manufacturing enterprises to the Department of Defense and producing goods without any investment or consumption value was starting to crowd out civilian economic activities. The historian Thomas E. Woods, Jr., observes that, during the 1950s and 1960s, between one-third and two-thirds of all American research talent was siphoned off into the military sector. It is, of course, impossible to know what innovations never appeared as a result of this diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military, but it was during the 1960s that we first began to notice Japan was outpacing us in the design and quality of a range of consumer goods, including household electronics and automobiles.
nah, my info come from the attic not from the bars, but you’re a good client for the bars !
BTW, I investigated from the above link, it was so “amazing” for me that certain EU leaders were bought by the quoted lobby
http://mysoupis.blogspot.com/2008/12/klaus-as-eu-president-could-change.html
the Taliban didn’t even exist during the fighting to drive the Russians out and the US did not fund them in any way. If you assume that every contradiction of facts, and most of the ones you offered are not only false but silly, is anti-French then tough. Get on in the real world and stop whining about all those people picking on poor defenseless France. You simply cannot make France a better place by simply blaming all your woes on someone else.
not what Gordon Thomas says in his book “the secret arms of the CIA”, too bad I reread the book during my last vacations, and you would be surprised that there many other “surpises” that you have no ides of
My quote is quite specific and it makes no mention of cowardice
your comments weren’t but only about that
And I am not whinning but contradicting your arrogant contempt
(I dunno what’s going on with my key board ! I wanted to copy half of my comment ant the whole comment section came on the line, Drima sorry)
So by that reasoning America “won” in Vietnam because many of the tactical successes and tactics are taught in war colleges? Nonsense, no American troops in Vietnam and no French troops in Algeria. Or is that a moral victory. Didn’t DeGaulle also make the statement that Algeria is France and France is Algeria? What can I say, you cite blogs and book reviews and unsourced articles. How can you expect to be taken seriously and the cowardice comment by your convoluted reasoning was first directed at the USA by you. But at least you never acknowledged the original errors so I take it that you don’t have much confidence in your original argument and saw the need to behave as a troll and hijack the thread.
you are extrapolling as usual what I wrote, just use you monkey brain, !
“Didn’t DeGaulle also make the statement that Algeria is France and France is Algeria”
he did, but it was his political cleverness for historians and “viciousness” for the pieds noir that he reverse his discourse later. Hardly arriving at Elysees palace it would have been unwise for him to claim that he envisionned the independance of algeria, above all, in front of the people that just brought him there. Thus he took his time, in visiting each military casern in Algeria, in visiting the divers opinions associations there, and finally uncovered his decision for the independance, from where comes the pied noirs ressentment against de Gaulle
(in my link though , not of an “unknown blog” but of a journalists team blog ! Naturally unknown for you, but sometimes you can read french, it’s all explained there, and even with videos of de gaulle discourse and of benjamen stora explanations.
How can you expect to be taken seriously and the cowardice comment by your convoluted reasoning was first directed at the USA by you.
Paterson you never took a french opinion seriously, so I am in use of your bar rantings !
Tans pis pour toi, un jour tu te reveilleras avec une soldat chinois à ta porte
Well, your first link goes to a blog and the second link goes to a blog that is owned by EDEF. EDEF is a Spanish consulting firm just like RAND. Why would you quote one to denigrate the efforts of the other.
In all honesty there is only one, well except for Superfrenchie, French opinion that I do not take very seriously and that would be you. Lack of historical knowledge leads to flawed analysis. And casual use of secondary sources that have shown only a passing acquaintance with fact.
Superfrenchie is rather a forum for conversations than a think tank
But what did I brought that is linked to your quoted sites ?
you’re digressing again !
they are all american sources except the attic (me) and defensa (a belgian thinktank)
well, that’s true, I haven’t attended the Goebels university like you
Now that is a shining example of Godwin’s Law when you call someone else a Nazi! See, I knew you had it in you.
bah ouah, coming from you, it must be right LMAO
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