An interesting video (to say the least) that I found spreading on Facebook. Whether you agree with the people in it or not, I was glad I found it. It’s the type of stuff that makes it much easier for me to convince my vehemently anti-Israeli (and in some cases outright anti-Semitic) friends that they’re wrong to assume “all Jews are blood-sucking demons.”
The work of organizations like B’Tselem has helped me dispel that ugly myth from the minds of some so far. This video will now come in handy too for a good start.
Watch it.
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I think it’s great that Israel allows such things to happen without an immediate death penalty.
However, I do think that ultimately such measures only prolong the war and cost too many lives.
The best wars are short wars.
I _cannot_ support anyone who through his action or inaction prolongs a war, no matter his motives.
(Is he from Sderot or does he live in one of the cities still safe?)
“that they’re wrong to assume “all Jews are blood-sucking demons.””
So you can convince them that those who don’t shoot back are not blood-sucking demons?
I am sure you know your friends best, but I’m not sure I want them to think that. Wouldn’t it give them the idea that it is possible to kill Jews because some are good people and won’t fight back?
I am being serious.
Andrew, you know what I mean.
Lots of people think *ALL* Jews have horns and tails, and view them in a monolithic manner.
This video completely shatters that, and helps plant the seeds of doubt.
Hi Drima,
I remember your comments from Sandmonkey’s blog & even tho I don’t really follow it, it was nice to see you were nominated for a best of blog. Congrats!
Take care!
“Andrew, you know what I mean.”
Yes.
And I hope you are right that it helps.
But how much can we prolong the war in order to convince people that both sides are human? And should we?
hah! next you’ll be telling us that not ALL Muslims are out to blow themselves (and some Christians or Jews) up in order to get 72 virgins.
Drima–
Your readers/friends that believe all Israelis are bloodsuckers…what can I say…except it is the same blind, ignorant, self-deluded routine.
Is there a Muslim or Arab out there…just a few maybe…that can see that when folks consistently try to kill us and tell us they are going to kill us and occassionally DO kill us…we will fight back?
For the Israel-hating readers out there…you can delude yourself all you want. Hamas is 100% at fault in this conflict and even while they are making comments about a truce, they still are hedging on everything. So we know it is all false and that they will strike as soon as possible and will always have an excuse for it.
Nobody has a problem that their leadership lives in other countries and hiding and yet remains “defiant to the last drop of…er…somebody else’s blood”.
The article here…yes…they do exist…the Peace Now types and all kinds of types and they can express themselves because in Israel we don’t kill our citizens for having a different opinion. And this was a much larger movement until the Palestinians help vote in Ariel Sharon with the 2nd Intifada and basically dried up the last of liberal sympathy for them…
Bloodthirsty? Yes Drima…I do know what you mean and what you are trying to say…Israelis are just people…most just want to go to work and go on vacation and eat humos and watch soap operas and play with their kids. But most have had it with 100 years of terrorism and bunch of bullshit manipulation of the truth…
So Hamas brought this on…Bloodthirsty…even by Palestianian count…1000 have died…1000…In 18 days of fierce bombing and all of Israel’s might… For powerful, bloodthirsty Jews…they sure as hell must have very bad aim…Does nobody see that? The Arabs complain of Israel’s great and disporportionate power and response…100’s of missions…all that power and in a crowded place like Gaza…this massacre can’t do what a short afternoon in Darfur or Hama would have gotten done with much weaker armies…
Really…anybody that blind and stupid to think that way, Drima…you are wasting your breath…don’t mess with their reality too much…if they have to think…they will suffer headaches.
AB…
And if they don’t like it…the can pog mah hoen
It would be hilarious if it turned out, at the end, that there were far fewer casualties in Gaza than Hamas currently claim.
Millions of protesters all over the world would march on the streets, shouting “Jews do not have to go into the ovens after all”.
One can dream…
Humans would allow refugees to return to their homes…
Humans would not allow their governments to commit genocidal acts against other defenseless oppressed and imprisoned people…
Humans would not steal someone’s land, rewrite history and then turn around and play victim…
Humans would not deny other humans the right to live freely on their own land…
Humans would not stand aside and look as countless children are butchered, blinded and paralyzed by a terrorist army that dares to call itself a defense force…
Therefore of course there are humans in Israel and I salute them
Thank you Drima, The Sudanese Zionist for the enlighting article :):):)
Amru,
Hamas commited and commits all the crimes you list. Israel does not.
You must feel pretty annoyed now.
I hope you learn something from it, and the next time Hamas or some other group screams “Death to Israel”, I hope you will speak up and say, if not “Humans would not deny other humans the right to live freely on their own land” than at least “Don’t attack Israel, they are violent animals and thousands will die at their hands if we attack them”.
Either wisdom will preserve the peace.
Amru…
Sounds like you are professor of Islamic history…you pretty much summarize what they have done of the past 1400 years or so…
Good job…
Howie,
Seems that Amru is getting closer to understanding what Israelis have experienced from Arabs in the last 100 years and before that time.
AB…
Yep…I would like to see Amru defend his own words…Just the first sentence…
Amru…so you are suggesting that all the Jews that were booted out of Arab countries and their property taken (often their lives as well) all get their stuff back. My family had two homes in Iraq, bank accounts, personal property…all stolen…
So…if you are willing to figure out how that kind of thing can be worked out…then we can talk honestly…
But Amru… are merely spewing hatred and propaganda…you don’t have the courage to take on the complexity of the truth…
“Humans would not allow their governments to commit genocidal acts against other defenseless oppressed and imprisoned people…”
You are referring to Darfur?
“My family had two homes in Iraq, bank accounts, personal property…all stolen…”
I have this idea of compensation for refugees.
The Arab League, since they are so concerned about refugees, should take the leading role. They should decide how much Israel owes to the Arab refugees. And after the decision is made (and they can decide freely and fairly, and we will trust them completely) Israel will owe that amount to the legitimate representative of the “Palestinian” people, may it be the PLO or whatever agency the Arab League see fit.
I think compensation for and acknowledgment of the refugees is the most important step in the peace process.
That is step 1.
Although Jews and Arabs are of equal value, Israel will show a willingness to compromise and demand compensation only for as many Jewish refugees as there were Arab refugees, even though the total number of Jewish refugees was greater than the total number of Arab refugees. The Arab countries will owe that same amount of money, which we have earlier determined is the fair amount to be paid for the refugees, to the legitimate representative of thew Jewish refugees, the state of Israel.
Both payments shall happen at the same time, to make accounting easier.
I think compensation for and acknowledgment of the refugees is the most important step in the peace process.
That was step 2.
The next step involved the international community who shall have a chance to rebuild what was destroyed and invest in a better future. I would find it unfair if Israel demanded or received more aid and help from the UN than the “Palestinians” and therefore the UN’s aid to Israel should be limited to:
1. The same number of schools and hospitals to be built in Israel as were built in the “Palestinian” territories.
2. The same amount of money (plus interest) to be paid to organisations helping Jewish refugees as was paid to organisations helping the Arab refugees.
The money should be paid to Israel as soon as possible.
Drima
Your way of reasoning is self defeating because it undermines the very point you are making. That there exist Israelis who opposed the operation in Gaza is only an evidence that Israel is a pluralistic and tolerant society. But to say that Israelis who were supporting the military action in Gaza are blood sucking demons is basically equivalent to saying that there are Jews and there are Zionists. You have just gone a full circle and are back to square one
Uh, actually, Nobody… that’s not what Drima said. What he said is that he has friends who believe that all Israelis are blood-sucking demons, and that this video (which shows Israelis doing something that doesn’t quite fit the world view of said friends) would at least work to show that Israelis aren’t a monolithic Evil Being.
And that’s a start.
This is not what Drima is saying directly, but this is what follows logically from his post. Those Israelis who don’t refuse to serve in Gaza or don’t support those who refuse are blood sucking monsters? So not all Israelis are blood sucking monsters, there are a few who are not. And what this kind of argument is achieving?
By the way good to see you again, RK. Hope you are doing very well. Haven’t seen you for quite a while.
“Those Israelis who don’t refuse to serve in Gaza or don’t support those who refuse are blood sucking monsters?”
Erm… nope. And I really don’t get why it’s so hard to understand dude. Roman can see what I meant.
I think you maybe over-analyzing.
This is not what Drima is saying directly, but this is what follows logically from his post.
Um, again, no. It just means that Drima has friends who think we all have tails, and the first step to go from there is to show that we’re actual human beings is to show that some of us don’t. The next step - that of showing we’re a diverse society of very much human stock - only follows afterward.
I agree with Drima, man. You’re over-analyzing a bit.
By the way good to see you again, RK. Hope you are doing very well. Haven’t seen you for quite a while.
I went into a more reading-focused curve, and some other aspects of my life finally got a bit more streamlined, so to speak, so I don’t have to weigh the free time I have in such absolute terms of “do this, and you won’t have time for anything else”.
And recently, just reading got dull. So here I am.
I am nor over-analyzing. It’s pretty straightforward I would say.
On a bit different note.. You should check the link in my name. I don’t know how you are about watching mildly erotic stuff, but this is the most hilarious thing I’ve seen during the last three years
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