Al Jazeera Just Got Really Filthy

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1. chimmakii on July 24th, 2008 12:49 am

   arabic al jazeera, yes? glorify him how, exactly?

2. Howie on July 24th, 2008 1:17 am

   Chi-

   They threw a party for him. What I understand is they complimented and congratulated him for his brave deeds against the Zionist entity…

3. Geir on July 24th, 2008 10:16 am

   I don’t know enough about this, but seems the line between journalism and progaganism hasn’t been drawn right in this situation?

4. Andrew Brehm on July 24th, 2008 11:18 am

   “the Zionist entity”

   A very young Zionist entity; a worthy enemy for a brave fighter like Quntar.

5. Ahmad al-Safawi on July 29th, 2008 11:55 am

   Like i said earlier, many people in the Arab world and in the Arab diaspora doubts or denies that Quntar is guilty in the allegations. Personally i dont know.

6. Andrew Brehm on July 30th, 2008 12:26 pm

   “Like i said earlier, many people in the Arab world and in the Arab diaspora doubt or deny that Quntar is guilty in the allegations.”

   So what ARE they celebrating him for? What was that victory he won over the Zionists?

   “Personally i dont know.”

   Well, we know. There have been court proceedings and evidence and everything.

7. Ahmad al-Safawi on August 2nd, 2008 6:17 pm

   What is these evidence? I do not know of them. If you know of them, please tell me.

   I think that they celebrate him as a symbol on how what they see as zionist oppression can be defeated - he was imprisonated by the enemy as an innocent man, and then he was liberated by the Resistance (Almoqawamah, Hizbollah). Thus he is a symbol of how the zionist enemy can be defeated.

   This is not MY opinion, this is only what i believe people think of him.

8. Roman Kalik on August 2nd, 2008 9:11 pm

   What is these evidence? I do not know of them. If you know of them, please tell me.

   http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terror+Groups/The+Kuntar+File+Exposed+-+Yediot+Aharonot+14-Jul-2008.htm

   Think of it what you will, Ahmad. And further, I do not see why you place the burden of further proof at the hands of the Israeli judicial system, as if it were busily inventing charges left and right.

   The burden of proof lays at the hands of a man who crossed the border, armed. A man who kidnapped civilians and who supposedly only intended to take them on a tourist trip to Lebanon… oh yes indeed.

   Ahmad, Samir Kuntar kidnapped two civilians, one of them a little girl. And his “heroic innocence” is based on the fact that he simply supposedly *kidnapped* civilians at gunpoint, rather than murdering them outright? This makes him *innocent*? A man of the Resistance? This is why I will never understand the convoluted logic of the Lebanese who admire him.

   Samir Kuntar’s “unit” was directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of four people. One policeman who thought they were up to no good was shot. One baby boy who was hiding with his mother in the attic of their house, and who died of suffocation as his terrified mother tried to keep him quiet, to keep them safe from the armed men who had barged into their house, who were violently tearing it apart, and who were taking the other half of the family hostage…

   And then the finale. One four year-old girl, one father. Let me ask you this, Ahmad… let’s pretend, purely for the sake of the argument, that there’s reason to doubt the official version of events and to believe in Kuntar’s claims of “father died in the crossfire” and “no idea how the little girl died”.

   Go on. Let’s. Because last time I checked, the violent kidnapper still remains responsible for whatever happens to those he kidnaps, for placing them in harm’s way at gunpoint. Unless moral and legal responsibility is different when Israelis are involved.

   From this I infer the following - Israeli civilians do not exist. All are fair game for the Resistance, and while violently killing children is still just a little wrong, it is still permissible to kidnap them at gunpoint. This, it would appear, is what many Arabs believe. I do not say that this is what *you* believe, but it appears that many others do.

9. Zaki on August 6th, 2008 7:51 pm

   This Kuntar should have been judged and given a life sentence if not an outright execution. But given how the Israeli forces abide by the Geneva convention, it is no surprise to me. Israeli government made a big mistake by releasing him. He now wants to kill jews again. It is very sickening to see all these celebrations going on in Lebanon and Syria about his return, yet no deep regrets or sadness about all those people who died for nothing. It certainly prove that life means nothing to these cretins war mongerring idiots.

10. Ahmad al-Safawi on August 8th, 2008 11:24 am

    ” And further, I do not see why you place the burden of further proof at the hands of the Israeli judicial system, as if it were busily inventing charges left and right.”
    - I do NOT place any burden on anyone, i just asked if you could let me know of these evidences because i did’nt know.

11. Roman Kalik on August 8th, 2008 4:07 pm

    My apologies then, Ahmad. I assumed you were aware of the trial.

12. Ahmad al-Safawi on August 9th, 2008 4:15 pm

    No problem friend.

    I only wanted to know because i only knew one side of the case. In fact, i sat with some lebanese shiites that day and saw them celebrating the release of Kuntar. I asked them how he can be a hero if he killed a child, and if their problem is that they see Israel as an illegitimate state that cannot pass legal judgement or sentences on anybody, then why dont they call upon the lebanese courts to judge him? They answered me that he was innocent - he came to Israel to fight a military garisson and got caught, and then the israelis accused him of killing an innocent child.

    I then realized that i knew nothing about this at all except for the news headlines, so when Andrew told me about the evidence against him, i was curious to know more.

    I also wanted to make clear that i got the impression that these lebanese shiites actually BELIEVED that he did not do what he is being accused of, in order to balance the debate. They appeared very biased to me, but i however felt that if they were indeed certain that he did kill a child, they would immediately call on the lebanese courts to judge him. They were not monsters, just very biased.

13. Roman Kalik on August 9th, 2008 8:43 pm

    Deluded, Ahmad. They weren’t merely biased - they were deluding themselves. That’s beyond biased. They are not willing to even consider their new hero to be a ruthless and bloody murder. How can they? Hezbollah says he is a hero, so he must be. Anything other than that will shatter something central to their beliefs.

    And so the hero, Samir Al-Quntar, is the new saint of Hezbollah. He is beyond reproach, for he is Perfection.

14. Andrew Brehm on August 10th, 2008 3:10 pm

    So if the Lebanese don’t “know” what he did, what do they celebrate him for?

    Crossing into Israel and getting caught?

    It wouldn’t surprise me. If they see getting half their country destroyed by Jews as a victory, why wouldn’t they see getting caught by Jews as heroism?

    Those are weird people for sure.

    But I don’t believe they don’t know. I believe that they really do consider kidnapping and murder a heroic act. And that’s why there won’t be peace. The two sides cannot even agree on what is good and what is evil.

15. Ahmad al-Safawi on August 12th, 2008 11:17 am

    “Deluded, Ahmad. They weren’t merely biased - they were deluding themselves. That’s beyond biased. They are not willing to even consider their new hero to be a ruthless and bloody murder. How can they? Hezbollah says he is a hero, so he must be. Anything other than that will shatter something central to their beliefs.”
    - I would still stick to the word biased here. To me, it is like when an israeli categorically rejects any violations by the IDF - such person does so because he has learned that the IDF is accused of many things which it, in his view, are innocent of. I got the impression that these people had the same stance.

    But i agree that their bias seems very extreme.

    “So if the Lebanese don’t “know” what he did, what do they celebrate him for?

    Crossing into Israel and getting caught?

    It wouldn’t surprise me. If they see getting half their country destroyed by Jews as a victory, why wouldn’t they see getting caught by Jews as heroism?”
    - Don’t know? They know that he is being accused of this, but i doubt that they know of the evidence. But i believe i answered that question earlier.

    “But I don’t believe they don’t know. I believe that they really do consider kidnapping and murder a heroic act. And that’s why there won’t be peace. The two sides cannot even agree on what is good and what is evil.”
    - Well they do believe that killing Israeli soldiers is a heroic act, yes, but i heavily disagree with you that they justify the killing of a little child. It could very well be that the Hezbollah-top does, but these supporters that i’ve met… I believe that they would condemn such an act if they believed it to be true.

16. Ahmad al-Safawi on August 12th, 2008 11:20 am

    Perhaps you guys should read this:
    http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=50280

    This is how it is being portrayed to these people.

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