Alright, that’s it. I’ve had enough of this garbage. The conversation I had with one Sudanese guy a while ago was the tipping point.
You know, I’m happy that Sami is finally reunited with his son and all but seriously, the way the government has been trying to portray itself heroically is just so damn stinking lame.
Now I know that this post is a little late, but still.
Ever since Sami got out and the international media blasted the spotlight on him, the Sudanese government has been trying to get some of the attention too and they successfully managed to capture it. Better still, they had the nerve to criticize what Sami endured during his imprisonment. Fine, and I wish they just stopped there but nooo, they have to milk the guy’s release for as much political benefit as possible so what do they do? They go on rambling and ranting about the unimaginable horrors in Gitmo and the evil CrUSAders. I’m just a little surprised they didn’t throw in the Jews for the usual extra flavor.
Imagine…
All that “compassion” from a government that mercilessly tortures its own people in horrific dungeons, orphans countless children of men fighting for their dignity and ethnically cleanses thousands upon thousands of innocent souls.
Despicable.
Don’t let them use you for publicity stunts, Sami. Don’t let them twist and manipulate your release for scoring cheap points. These guys have no moral authority whatsoever to preach to the world about Guantanamo.
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Well,
It is pretty pathetic really..We have the SAME thing in Egypt. When we won that Lousy African Cup,you know who got the gratitude in the newspaper and media? Husny Mubarak! For encouraging sports..and giving full support. Bleh..Even Sami!! They are taking advantage of him. 7aga te2ref.
Reminds me: years ago,my then-company employed a young Persian man (the first immigrant in the company) and the company magazine wrote about it in terms of “globalisation” “international business” and stuff. I mentioned to a senior salesman “for X’s sake, he’s an errand boy, how many cheap points can the management get out of him ?” and he replied: “cheap points count as much as expensive ones, and they are ….well …. cheaper”
My point: Sudanese govt. is scoring cheap points and pointing fingers at the same time. At no cost.
They may have no sense of dignity, but they have a sense of business.
gjoe, a77aaa!
Halalhippie, business indeed. They know how to play the game, that’s for sure.
So you deem that Aljazeera, Humanitarian Aid Organizations, and your blog were the key reason behind the release of Sami………..
Do you think you have influenced the US government to release Sami…? if the answer is yes then here is your next assignment:- with the support from other media use your influential blog to stop Israel eliminating Palestinian….. by the way it took you six years to free 1 man, God knows how long it will take you to free them. Hint: multiply Palestinian by six !!!
It’s always beyond your thoughts, and it’s better to try music
“multiply Palestinian by six !!!”
They could have decided not to attack Jews in the 1930s, in 1948, and at any time after that.
And if you think that Israel is “eliminating” “Palestinians”, you better count the “Palestinians”.
Israel - the worst genociders in the world and proud of it!
“with the support from other media use your influential blog to stop Israel eliminating Palestinian”
Already one.
Look at “Palestinian” propaganda. They are alive and well and want to exterminate the Jews.
“with the support from other media use your influential blog to stop Israel eliminating Palestinian”
On a more serious note…
That is already done.
Israel never started “eliminating” them and the “Palestinians” are alive and well. Watch their propaganda. They are alive and well and want to exterminate the Jews.
Show some solidarity with them!
‘Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honour. God is with you.’
We can talk about the morality of the “Palestinian cause” later, if you like. For the moment I just want you to understand that the “Palestinians” have not been eliminated, are not being eliminated, and won’t be eliminated; and are indeed still following their genocidal leaders.
Choose sides.
“Those who survive will remain in Palestine. I estimate that none of them will survive.”
Said by a Jew about “Palestinians” or by a “Palestinian” about Jews? What do you think?
Will you be on the side of those who say things like that, or the other? (Which side do you think you are on?)
Have you ever been in Israel or did people simply tell you that Jews are evil and that “Palestinians” are being eliminated?
Ponder, what the hell are you on about? Nowhere did Drima claim he was the reason for Sami’s release. His post is merely making the point that the Sudanese government is being a mite hypocritical by criticising the US over Guantanamo, when it’s doing the same or worse to its own people.
I didn’t think it got any clearer than that.
“Ponder, what the hell are you on about?”
He brought the Jews into it. Drima predicted correctly.
Indeed I read in an Irish newspaper yesterday that Sami was “tortured for five years” in Gitmo.
He was “tortured” in a prison which he finally escaped with the help of a _lawyer_. Does anybody else see the problem? Which tyrant has a prison to torture people but releases prisoners after a _legal_ fight?
I think some people have no idea what evil actually is and or why it is wrong to lie.
Sister Sheema,
“Nowhere did Drima claim he was the reason for Sami’s release”
yah, you are absolutely right!!
“Sudanese government is being a mite hypocritical by criticising the US over Guantanamo, when it’s doing the same or worse to its own people.
”
I beg you to read what you said carefully and tell what you think about it because inaccuracy or slip is a human nature!!!
Example: If someone threw you mom with bad words and you believe what he said is true an later on you threw his mom with bad words which are true so will that be considered hypocritical?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God bless u Andrew! cool down, and don’t make an statement burns u
Ponder,
Guantanamo simply isn’t that bad. If you can escape from it with the help of a lawyer, you don’t have a problem.
The Sudanese government is known for much worse treatment of prisoners (and random civilians). If the Sudanese government really wanted to so something against unfair imprisonment, they could do so without even bothering the US.
And Sami shouldn’t walk around claiming that he was “tortured”. He clearly wasn’t, or do you believe the US are stupid enough to release an actual torture victim? Do you think the US run torture chambers that the “victims” can escape via a legal battle? It’s ridiculous.
The man is alive and well and it is up to him whether he is a victim of false imprisonment (during a war where such can legally happen) or whether he is part of why Gitmo is unfortunately necessary.
Ponder, have a glass of cold water and get some sleep. I think you need it.
You are greatly misinformed dear. It’s not the Sudanese government that’s responsible for the release.
For the first few years of Sami’s imprisonment, the Sudanese regime didn’t even bother about him. The first efforts to put the spotlight on him where by his *American* lawyer and *Western* human rights organizations. At the same time, Sami’s family in Sudan also collaborated with alJazeera in bringing attention to his case.
Slowly, slowly people started noticing and eventually awareness about his case was spread throughout Khartoum and amongst many, many Sudanese. Until then, the government still didn’t care or make any noise about him. However by the time awareness of his case was high, the Sudanese people began questioning the government over its relaxed attitude. It was *then* that the regime began playing politics and started making noise over Sami’s imprisonment.
Only after 3-4 years passed, did they even begin putting effort into releasing him. Before that, they didn’t cared. He just wasn’t worth the time and effort.
As for his actual release, the reason stated by Sami’s lawyer, is that Sami’s health deteriorated badly and the United States didn’t want to have another case of somebody dying in Guantanamo because that will just lead to more bad publicity and increased pressure. Ergo, the release - hitting two birds with one stone: avoiding bad PR and demonstrating a sign of goodwill towards Sudan.
Shalom!
we know them
we know their games
we know their shit
we must do something
to stop it
we became killers of our own people
thanks to them
we became beggers all around
thanks to them
if the have used one
they are using millions
can we stop them
we can
Res Babi Babiker,
What are you talking about?
Who is “we”? And who are “they”?
If “we” is Arabs or Muslims and “they” are Americans and Jews, the solution is easy: If “we” leave “them” alone, they won’t fight back. (Leaving “them” alone includes things like not claiming that Jews are the sons of pigs and dogs and must be exterminated.)
As for “we” becoming killers of “our” own people. That might be more difficult. Look at Lebanon. Some of “us” really don’t like Americans and Jews and others of “us”.
And if “we” is Americans and Jews and others and “they” are well-financed terrorist groups. the solution is a bit more complex. Can “we” stop “them”? I think so. If “we” hit “them” hard enough.
Without oil the Arab world would be dirt poor. The Arab nation currently produces NOTHING that anybody would want to spend money on. That’s a problem that can only be solved by Arabs themselves.
Problem is, who invests in a place where terrorists have free reign to hijack the country (Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon) or where local loonies get to make up perverse laws (Saudi Arabia) or where you cannot tell when exactly the government decides to go on another holy crusade to finish the Holocaust (Syria)?
Sorry, gotta make a side note here off topic.
I ignored this last time but it has been posted again. the arab world produces “nothing that anyone would want to spend money on” and as you’ve said before “they make no contribution to the world” so really we should just roll over and die. All this in a forum that is not anti israeli.
I won’t reciprocate but I have this to add. I have very limited communication with jews/israelis via the net and if I started out casting all stereotypes aside then you have done a grand job in reinforcing those stereotypes better than any propaganda machine. the way to alleviate your diaspora guilt is not to continually spew obnoxious racist comments at every ay-rab commenter. Supporting Israel would be best displayed by you relocating to ISrael and slogging it out in the IDF. But swapping cushy European life for a warzone would be too big a sacrifice. Not to worry, posting your vile remarks here is just as effective.
Anna,
There is nothing, but ABSOLUTELY NOTHING racist about stating that the Arab world doesn’t produce anything of value at the moment.
But your assertion that my conclusion has to do with Jews vs Arabs or anything like that _is_ racist.
Should I relocate to Israel? Why? Because I can look at the world economy and see what the Arab world refuses to see? I was in Israel when Hizbullah attacked. I was mostly bothered by the extreme heat. I am not made for hot weather. I grew up in northern Europe.
Anna,
You have in the past made some pretty racist and anti-Semitic statements. (And now too.) And you complain that I make a statement about the Arab world that just happens to be true and is not related to race or religion at all?
Do reciprocate. Please do. Instead of making a racist accusation why don’t you tell me something about Europe that is true and a real problem. And I can tell you what I am doing to solve the problem.
I am just looking around in this room. I can see lots of products. I can see Irish products (my computer), American products (lots of the gadgets), British products (the chip in my PDA), Israeli products (the CPU in my computer), Chinese products (most of the things, really), and Japanese products (Nintendo timewaster with Mario game). I cannot see any Arab products. I believe I still have some Turkish chocolate I bought in Israel… but nothing Arab.
You think it’s racist to point that out? Grand. Then there is no hope that it will change. Can you not understand that something is deeply wrong with a culture that aspires to tell everyone how to run the world (with Islam) while being unable to produce the goods that it needs (and that others would want to buy)?
The correct way to change the fact that the Arab world produces nothing of value is not to accuse potential customers of racism but TO START PRODUCING.
The racist theory of why the Arab world produces nothing of value would be that Arabs are unable to do so. That is nonsense. I know many Arabs _in Israel_ who are at the forefront of technology (working for Intel, for example).
It’s not non-Arabs not seeing the value because of their racism, it’s Arab governments who are more interested in staying in power than letting their people thrive and Arab political groups who are more interested in destroying Israel (or, in Lebanon, anyone who is not Shiite) then in building up the economy. They are the problem. Not me, they.
And you accuse me of living in Europe rather than war zone? Why am I supposed to live in a war zone? It is YOUR stupid governments and YOUR stupid political groups that make the middle east a war zone. Not me, them.
I neither want the Arab world to be unproductive and useless nor to live in a war zone. I don’t see why I have to do the other to be allowed to notice the one.
But this has nothing to do with supporting Israel. Israel has nothing to do with it. Arab countries that do not border Israel and have never fought Israel are just as unproductive than Arab countries who kept busy trying to destroy the Jews.
You don’t get it, do you? You think I want you to roll over and die? No. I want you to CONTRIBUTE and DO SOMETHING USEFUL.
When I am in the middle east the next time and the Arab world offers me something useful to buy (rather than fire rockets at my university campus), I will buy it and be happy. That is what I want. Do you get that into your head?
It’s not shoot Jews or die, it’s don’t do either.
You might think that the Arab world cannot do better than it does and that pointing out the sorry state of the culture is racism. But I am telling you that it is racist to assume that Arab culture is perfect as it is and cannot improve.
And perhaps there will be the day when “Made in Egypt” will be as common a label all over the world as “Made in Germany”. That would be fantastic.
But until then you can blame the Jews or the west for Arab poverty and blame me for pointing it out or acknowledge the problem and change something.
Anna,
Do reciprocate. Tell me off. What does the Arab world produce? Last time, I believe, you had the example of treatment of guests. I acknowledged the example but told you that it was, unfortunately, a thing of the past and these days is really overshadowed by the rocket attacks. What about reviving that particular great part of Arab culture?
But until you have a good answer, I will assume the Arab world produces only the war zone that you feel I ought to live in.
Drima “have a glass of cold water and get some sleep. I think you need it”.
I did actually, Thanks.
As far I understood you, Aljazeera, and all Humanitarian Aid Organizations were the key reason for his release….. Fine!
Now your task is release all Palestinians specially those living in Gaza.
God luck
“Now your task is release all Palestinians specially those living in Gaza.”
That would be up to them… They have a choice between war and open borders. They chose war.
“As far I understood you, Aljazeera, and all Humanitarian Aid Organizations were the key reason for his release”
Actually, no. They were not the key reason for his release. However they were the key reason behind the spread of awareness about his case.
The key reason for his release is his sickness.
And about freeing the Palestinians, I’d like to see that happen but I’ll leave it to you since you’re more concerned with problems far away instead of those in our own backwards.
“about freeing the Palestinians”
They are free.
They made a DECISION.
It lead to disaster.
It’s not up to Israel to change the minds of the “Palestinian” people. THEY themselves have to decide to stop the attacks.
I am ras babi
not res babi
someone
read my name wrong
got my poem wrong
what is wrong?
I am not into your discussion
them for the leaders
like our leader
al-Bashir
and we are the people
not flies
peace and love
for you
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