It disgusts me how the suffering of Gazans is being used as a political tool by different parties for their own competing agendas.
The situation is ugly (and complex). The shortage of electricity has the real potential to cause all kinds of inconveniences from disruptions at bakeries to the halting of hospitals and life-saving surgeries. We could very well witness a real crisis if this continues.
Once again, this is a perfect example of how Israel practices its lovely policies of collective punishment on the Palestinian people and as a result pushes further away that “impossible peace”.
On the other hand of course you’ve got wonderful Hamas getting exactly what it wants. Attention.
Long live the “resistance”.
SudaneseThinker
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Heh.
I can’t see how Israel not giving someone stuff it doesn’t have to give in the first place is “collective punishment”.
I mean, seriously: how long would you feed, clothe, heal and provide everything to people who are doing everything in their power to kill you?
Moreover, how hard would you try to provide these things to these people when they refuse to accept your freely given gifts unless they’re given in a very specific way - namely, the way which makes it easier for them to kill you?
This is a stupid and pointless situation. The residens of Gaza can have wonderful lives if they’d only stop working so hard to fuck their own stuff up.
*shrugs*
Palestinians have been used as a political tool since 1967. Not that I don’t believe some of their suffering but I am convinced that Arab governments do very little to put their money where their mouth is so to speak because it works in their favor to have the plight of the Palestinians to point to on every occasion and it makes it that much easier to justify hating Israel.
Does blockading an enemy nation during wartime count as collective punishment? No, it does not.
“On the other hand of course you’ve got wonderful Hamas getting exactly what it wants.” Gee, do you think that might be the cause of the problem?
I can’t quite understand the Gaza blackout when there’s fuel left for months and the Ashkelon power plant (ironically the same power plant that Hamas is targeting with rocket fire) supplies over 70% of Gaza’s electric power.
Roman,
Nobody understand that. I cannot figure out how they manage to build rockets all the time, while they are “starving”.
But that’s not the question that is asked.
The question is: Why do the Jews refrain from giving free stuff to the people trying to murder them?
And the answer: Israel is evil.
Turns out Egypt has failed to provide free electricity to Israel during Nasser’s blockade.
“this is a perfect example of how Israel practices its lovely policies of collective punishment on the Palestinian people and as a result pushes further away that “impossible peace”.”
That’s ridiculous. The people shooting rockets at Israel do not do so because Israel reacts when being fired at. They do it because they want to destroy Israel. And THAT is what makes peace impossible.
Stopping the delivery of electricity to your enemy is not “collective punishment”.
Sudan doesn’t deliver free electricity to Israel either. Gaza is not Israel’s responsibility. It was, but the world demanded that it not be. Now it isn’t.
At no point did Israel say that Gaza could not get electricity and anything it wants. Israel merely said that the things won’t be delivered under fire.
I cannot believe that it is really necessary to demand that the enemy stop firing so we can send him supplies.
Who is forcing Gaza to shoot at Israel?
Collective punishment for something that only 80% of the population supported.
Raccoon, they’re not ‘giving’ anything to the Gazen’s they’re not ALLOWING any imports.
Raccoon says: “I mean, seriously: how long would you feed, clothe, heal and provide everything to people who are doing everything in their power to kill you?”
-Yes the loving Israel heal’s and provides everything…if by heal you mean destroying 4,170 Palestinian homes since Sept 29, 2000. Guess how many Israeli homes demolished????? Yup -0-
Mytwosents says, “Does blockading an enemy nation during wartime count as collective punishment? No, it does not.”
-First Palestine is not a nation, show me a Palestinian traveling on a Palestinian passport?
-I’ll raise your two cents, “No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible.”
Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907, Article 50
-Sudani, what do you mean Hamas is getting exactly what it wants? Clarify. What do you think they live a lavish life in Gaza while the people suffer like Fatah in WB? I don’t get exactly what you’re getting at.
“Guess how many Israeli homes demolished????? Yup -0-”
Exactly.
And that is why Israel is doing what it can to make sure the number will remain zero.
(It’s not zero, btw, but damn close!)
““No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible.””
The acts of Gaza’s elected government are hardly the acts of an individual.
A blockade is a perfectly legitimate weapon in a war. And Gaza wanted war. They voted for it. In fact all “Palestinians” did.
“Palestine is not a nation”
May I quote you on that?
Well, 350,000 Gazans have just crossed the border to Egypt.
Let’s see if they will go back to Gaza or whether Israel is really so evil that one cannot live there.
Any bets?
I have an idea!
This is addressed to whomever thinks that Israel should not fight back, or fights back using illegal means (by whichever definition, even the new improved ones that apply only to Israel), or should be destroyed.
Please do not fight back, or fight back only in the allowed way, or die when YOU are being attacked.
Don’t tell Israel how to fight back. YOU do what YOU think is right, and see how long you survive and let Israel fight back in the way that has so far WORKED.
Thank you.
(Usually that stuff comes from Christians in Europe who believe that Jews should turn the other cheek.)
Why do the people in Gaza not track down the terrorists and stop them and show to the world that Israel would still attack Gaza even if there was no excuse?
Speaking of Palestinian passports, those do exist. Arafat kept them his personal responsibility, and he didn’t give out many. Neither has either Palestinian government today been all that interested in giving the average Palestinian such passports, though I have *no* doubt that the higher-ranking PA officials have them.
“Speaking of Palestinian passports, those do exist. Arafat kept them his personal responsibility, and he didn’t give out many.”
It doesn’t really matter, does it?
1. People don’t know, hence they will believe that they don’t exist.
2. Those people will blame Israel for it.
The well-established formula is easy:
1. I don’t know if X.
2. Hence, -X must be true.
3. Hence, Israel is to blame for -X.
The more aggressive activists continue:
4. Hence, it is right for “Palestinians” to fight Israel over X.
5. Hence, “Palestinians” are fighting over X.
6. Hence, there would be peace if only Israel would allow X.
“X” can be anything. A common X is the “Palestinian state”.
1. Many people (especially our usual customers) won’t bother to learn enough history to know that Israel did, in fact, agree to a “Palestinian” state in 1948, offered such a solution again, once it had control over the land for it in 1967, and again in 1994 and 2000.
2. Hence, those people believe, Israel is against a “Palestinian” state.
3. Hence, it is Israel’s fault that there is no “Palestinian” state.
4. Hence, it is right for “Palestinians” to fight Israel over their right to a state.
5. Hence, they are righting Israel over that right (and not because they hate Jews, in fact all of the Arab wars were for the right of “Palestinians” to get a state, especially those that caused Jordan and Egypt to occupy the West Bank and Gaza; and that right is also the only reason for Arab radio stations to chant “Kill all the Jews” in 1967).
6. Hence, there would be peace if only Israel agreed to a “Palestinian” state.
Sometimes a seventh point is added:
7. The fact that Israel defends itself against legitimate “Palestinian” attacks suggests that Israel is not only to blame for -X but also for -Y, where -Y is the opposite of another thing the “Palestinians” should have and, according to research as per step 1, do not.
Drima:
The Koran says specifically “take not the unbelievers as protectors…they are protectors for themselves”. So, If the palestinians are so gung ho about Islam and Jihad then why don’t they practice what they preach. Let Allah most merciful and compassionate take care of them. As far as I am concerned, Israel is just allowing the Palestinians the freedom to be good Muslims. I mean for the’Joooz’ to provide electricity, aid or food to the Palestinians–why that would be downright unislamic….
Rated,
The Quran also says that Allah commanded the Jews to live in the holy land and not turn back.
_IF_ the “Palestinians” were at all serious about their faith, they wouldn’t try so hard to do the opposite of what the Quran says.
This is not about Islam or any religion. The “Palestinians” are as Islamic as the Nazi Germans were Christian.
Raccoon, Andrew and Roman…
Israel should know better. I don’t see how cutting supplies to Gaza helps you. More just end up hating you and all you do with such a move is prove Hamas’s point and create an incentive for Gaza’s residents to rally behind the movement.
Before the rockets intensified, the supplies were flowing. After that, they were cut. Who’s firing the rockets? Hamas. Who pays the price for this supply cut? All Gazans. To me that is collective punishment.
CaucasionPersuasion, “Sudani, what do you mean Hamas is getting exactly what it wants?”
All this time Hamas was effectively isolated. It has now gotten the reaction it wanted and it now has the world’s attention.
“Israel should know better. I don’t see how cutting supplies to Gaza helps you. More just end up hating you and all you do with such a move is prove Hamas’s point and create an incentive for Gaza’s residents to rally behind the movement.”
How does it help? For one thing it can mean that Israeli workers don’t have to drive through a missile rain to work, if Israel would shutdown the power plant next to Gaza.
Those people do not need a reason to hate Israel, they never needed such a reason. They voted for Hamas before Gaza was cut off and if they wouldn’t have changed their mind just because Israel doesn’t react.
The argument that what Paul does makes Peter hate Paul is a good one, but it simply doesn’t apply to a Jewish Paul surrounded by Arab Peters. I am sorry, but “Kill the Jews” is not the catchphrase of someone whose hatred for Israel is a function of Israel’s behaviour.
Why not turn the argument around and ask the Gazans to change their behaviour so Israel won’t hate them?
“Before the rockets intensified, the supplies were flowing. After that, they were cut. Who’s firing the rockets? Hamas. Who pays the price for this supply cut? All Gazans. To me that is collective punishment.”
The rockets are being fired by the people the Gazans elected on a platform of firing rockets at Israel.
We are not talking about an innocent population here. They WANTED war.
I don’t know why you cut them so much slack. They have it better than most people on the losing side of a war.
They got what they wanted. It is up to them to change what they want.
SOMEBODY will be punished for the rockets. Israel’s choice was whether it would be Israelis or the people of Gaza.
If the people of Gaza have a problem with the result of firing rockets at people, they will have to act against those that fire the rockets.
But it seems that the people of Gaza either don’t want to stop Hamas or prefer Israel’s wrath over Hamas’.
And since Gaza has enough supplies for rockets, I assume it has enough supplies to live. Did anybody starve in Gaza? Ever?
It also seems to me that most Arabs hate Israel for what they hear about Israel and not really for what Israel does.
So how would it help if Israel acted differently?
Before the rockets intensified, the supplies were flowing. After that, they were cut. Who’s firing the rockets? Hamas. Who pays the price for this supply cut? All Gazans. To me that is collective punishment.
This is correct up to a point. The supplies don’t flow solely to the civilian populace, they flow to both the civilians and the so-called “resistance”, with said armed groups getting a very clear priority.
Israel can’t control the flow of the supplies to the right source, and the aid groups… Frankly, the aid groups just wash their hands of the whole affair once the supplies cross the border, being very happy in showing how they help the Palestinian people without taking the extra step of planning ahead. There’s no supervision, no control, no *nothing*.
Back in Arafat’s day, the aid supplies left Gaza just as soon as the entered it. Arafat would simply sell them to the highest bidder, cutting a hefty part of the profit to his own pocket, and helped fund the Resistance with the rest. Reality hasn’t changed that much since then, merely the little details.
If you can find a way to separate the military from the civilian in this one, Drima, then by all means, do so. Hamas confiscated Gaza’s remaining civilian petrol for their operations, and there’s nothing stopping them from doing it with just about anything that you send into Gaza.
They win, Drima. Anyway you look at it, they win.
“They win, Drima. Anyway you look at it, they win.”
As long as the world supports them, they win.
And the world will support them as long as they kill Jews.
So what’s the point?
Turns out Egypt has closed the border again after Israel announced that if that border is open Egypt could supply Gaza and Israel wouldn’t have to.
Will the headlines change now from “Gaza under Israeli siege” to “Egypt doesn’t want to supply Gaza”?
Gedankenexperiment:
If there were such a thing as an invisible shield that would make rockets bounce back and that shield was installed over Gaza’s border with Israel, would the terrorists stop shooting rockets?
Andrew you’re a racist zionist with little time on your hands, how many times do you have to respond to get your point across? You my non-friend are a worse than a nothing, but a bitch made speck. Israel is the most brutal racist gov’t since the Nazi’s, the world knows it, and this is why the UN continually brings up resolutions which are veto’d by the lap dog…..
Arafat held passports….Zionist Nazi propaganda….Arafat’s dead crackhead…what’s that got to do with an occupied land that cannot issue passports, a people who cannot issue passports and control there land are not a nation. Zionist propaganda pure and simple…tell me next…Palestine was an empty land when they came right? GTFOH.
SUDANI, you going to clarify your Hamas statement or what?
Drima:
“All this time Hamas was effectively isolated. It has now gotten the reaction it wanted and it now has the world’s attention.”
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The isolation was imposed on them, tell me exactly what they did to impose this isolation? The people elected them. So this is the master plan…”We will win the elections, and the entire world community will isolate us, and this will give us the attention” That’s illogical, they won an election, the results did not fit into the west’s client regime mentality, and Hamas suffered because they will not bend over and take it as Fatah will as they live in their compounds. I’m not saying I support either, however, this is the reality of the situation.
@Crazy Ass Andrew
“Why do the people in Gaza not track down the terrorists and stop them and show to the world that Israel would still attack Gaza even if there was no excuse?”
This statement is bullshit and you know it. You really need to find a hobby other than trolling blogs.
People in Gaza won’t track down anyone because of two reasons.
1) They love Hamas and support them
2) They are scared of Hamas and don’t want to be harmed.
Aaron,
Of course the statement is bullshit. It was sarcastic. Look at “CaucasionPersuasion” reply.
That idiot actually thinks that the poor poor anti-Semitic Arab Nazis are the victims of the Jews they try to murder.
CaucasionPersuasion,
Do you even know what Hamas’ platform was, what they stand for, and what it means if one votes for them?
If I were an Israeli and voted for a party that wants a war with, say, Jordan and kill all Jordanians, would I not be the same as a Hamas voter?
But, honestly, your silly statement about “Zionism” and “racism” in one sentence already shows that you don’t know what Zionism is. And anyone who knows so little about it yet still discusses it is either willfully ignorant or a plain classic anti-Semite looking for meat.
It’s a good thing most of you people are cowards or stupid.
It is one of those rare times I think Drima is pretty off base…
Collective punishment is randomly firing rockets into neighborhoods, schools, business etc. AND with the HOPE and INTENT of causing as much CIVILIAN suffering as possible.
I try to be objective…but these folks have worked very hard at bringing this down on their own heads. They elected Hamas, which rejects peace with Israel and talks about wiping us out etc. They cooperate and encourage terror including the rockets being launched into Israel and this is AFTER Israel leaves Gaza.
Sorry…I have sympathy for some…but their crying this time around leaves me pretty cold. Israel is doing exactly what she should do…and if the Gazans do like it…stop terror and we can fix a lot of things. Continue terror and frankly the whole lot can burn in hell.
Thanks for clarifying Andrew.
Propaganda, eh? Yes, Arafat’s dead. And now the current government holds all the duties *he* held, and spread around for a change rather than being fully centralized in Arafat’s grasp.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1199964912470&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
And you would have realized that yourself, CP, had you you tried thinking in a deductive and rational manner. Try it sometime, it can do wonders for you.
Andrew, you’re overdoing the replies a bit as of late. They come across as too much rant.
“Andrew, you’re overdoing the replies a bit as of late.”
I am bored.
“They come across as too much rant.”
They are.
Nice try zionist, more typical zionist propaganda, what exactly was said that was anti-semitic. You’re so easy…. we can put your reactions in a box APAC must give you an argument sheet that you all follow switch the subject and go from any critisism of Israel/Zionism, straight to anti-semite.
Also Arabs are semtites genius, so if an Arab is anti-semetic he’s anti-Arab. You on the other hand are probably a European convert somewhere down your family tree.
One look at the numbers on the ground prove all your arguments wrong Andrew the Zionist…
Since Sept 2000:
119 Israel Children killed
971 Palestinian Children killed
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1,030 Isrealis killed
4,437 Palestinians killed
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6,845 Isralis injured
31,815 Palestinian’s injured
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Illegal Settlements on other’s land:
223 JEWISH only settlements
0 Palestinan
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Israel has 65 UN resolutions addresssing it
Palestine-target of none
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Andrew you stay losing, stay in your lane you’re a nobody
@CaucasionPersuasion
You come off as a crazy bastard and I stopped listening to you after you first couple posts. Just an FYI.
Israel: Early warning systems, intel, bomb shelters in every house, a government that actually tries to safeguard the lives of its populace, an army that doesn’t shoot out of civilian areas.
Palestine: The exact opposite of the above. No investments in making people secure, no investments in infrastructure, treating civilians like sacrifices for the Great Cause, and quite a lot of foreign bank accounts full of the money the average Palestinian is never going to see.
And it’s funny how the evil racist and genocidal Zionist regime managed to kill less people over four decades than Jordan, Syria, or Iraq killed in a couple of days. Black September, Hama, the Kurds… So many genocidal actions in this region, and yet the UN (thanks to the lobbying of so many oil-rich countries and Soviet
allies over the years) seems to have ignored all of this, focusing on itty bitty Israel instead.
Your reference to “European convert” was racist, by the way, just in case you were wondering (yes, we’re quite familiar with the rather pathetic Khazar-fakes yarn), and quite an interesting one when we look at the number of Arab Jews cleansed from their former countries. And enough with the fucking semantics, the term anti-Semitism doesn’t refer merely to our shared large noses, but to irrational and incredibly violent anti-Jewish sentiments over the past two milleniums.
Amar-
If you are out there, CP did us all a favor:
One look at the numbers on the ground prove all your arguments wrong Andrew the Zionist…
Since Sept 2000:
119 Israel Children killed
971 Palestinian Children killed
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1,030 Isrealis killed
4,437 Palestinians killed
—
6,845 Isralis injured
31,815 Palestinian’s injured
—-
Illegal Settlements on other’s land:
223 JEWISH only settlements
0 Palestinan
That is from a PRO-Palestinian…
If that is genocide…then the Israelis have REALLY bad aim.
And I think I’m better off taking Aaron’s lead in this one. Some people just aren’t worth the bother of trying to engage.
watching, not commenting
Geez…Sandmonkey said it much better than I could:
“heard people at work lamenting this, how we should have the borders open, this way we are totally supporting the Palestinian cause and resistance. And when you point out to them that this would make Egypt complicit in Hamas’ attacks on Israel, thus negating the peace agreement and would be nothing short of a declaration of war, the Lions behind the Desks shout and bellow that it’s better to have a war than to live in such indignity any longer. Well, let me say it here loud and clear you fuckers: You want a war, then stop your whining and moaning and protesting and go to Gaza and fight; just don’t invite one over here. We actually have military targets and an economy, and I for one wouldn’t want to see another Egyptian drop of blood spilled because of that stupid conflict, so don’t call for dragging us into a war that has no benefit or purpose to us. I can understand that you Koffeyah-wearing-posers care for the Palestinians more than your own country, forgiving their repetitive deliberate attacks on our soil and our soldiers ever since they got their “autonomy” over Gaza, but that’s your prerogative and you can stick to it. I, for one, would like to have Israelis on the Border again. At least they don’t shoot from behind their own women and children.
And spare me the bullshit moral indignation please. Egypt didn’t create this situation, it’s the Palestinians who chose to either support the corrupt Fatah or the suicidal Hamas, even when they all agree that they are both shit. If Hamas now controls Gaza , then they are responsible for those firing those rockets, which give the Israelis all the excuse they need to do the shit they do. You want to blame someone? I suggest pointing your fingers at them.”
Sandmonkey is spot on but the question is what do you do about the situation?
I could try being dispassionate and then analyze but what remains as something that heavily bothers me is the normal people who are stuck in the middle of this mess but who didn’t choose it. As for the rest who do, let them enjoy. “Faith” and “determination” will supposedly bring them an eventual victory.
I just wish it was easy to separate the two groups.
As for the idea of “hope” being the solution, I’m starting to realize that maybe it isn’t. As long as there is hope for a victory, then there will be no compromise and hence we will see this continue.
And meanwhile, like I said, you’ve got many families stuck suffering in a situation they didn’t choose.
“Faith”, “hope” and “determination”… I think I just discovered the real enemy.
Drima-
“something that heavily bothers me is the normal people who are stuck in the middle of this mess but who didn’t choose it.”
Yes…me too…I realize I have spent a good deal of thought..even effort (we used to help with Peace Now)on folk, many off whom would like to see me dead.
The average Joe always gets screwed…but I worry about MY average Joes. I have met too many little kids with sharpnel in their faces, people blown up, talked to friends and family in bomb shelters, and many of these would have been in support of a peace agreement.
You know…these guys have found every possible way to fuck up every reasonable chance and their hands are FAR from clean when it comes to hurting the average Joe. In fact, their main tactic has long been to TARGET the average Joe.
So on a human level…yeah I still wish Wahib the Humos man did not have to suffer…but on a political level…if these guys cannot and will not take a different path…something they have only organized to REPRESS (i.e. freedom to speak out, criticize etc.)…then they have fully their own selves to blame…Enough of this..
And yes Drima…thank you…”hope for a victory”..Do you see the problem? After 100 years of choosing terrorism and war…and then crying when they get the shit kicked out of them…they are still hoping to kill the Jews and push us into the sea…
And I am supposed to feel sorry for them
Meanwhile, while the world focuses on Israel/Gaza, just down the road, something similar occurs and the world stays silent …
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You can’t have one without the other, but with many of Iraq’s power plants shut and refineries stopped, Iraqis have neither fuel nor electricity.
Iraq’s Electricity Ministry is blaming the Oil Ministry for cutting fuel supplies and Turkey for ending electricity imports.
http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Energy/Analysis/2008/01/22/analysis_iraqis_without_fuel_power/5131/
Meanwhile, the world rages, and the world stays silent at the same time …
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You can’t have one without the other, but with many of Iraq’s power plants shut and refineries stopped, Iraqis have neither fuel nor electricity.
Iraq’s Electricity Ministry is blaming the Oil Ministry for cutting fuel supplies and Turkey for ending electricity imports.
http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Energy/Analysis/2008/01/22/analysis_iraqis_without_fuel_power/5131/
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Draw your own conclusions.
The hope that Israel will be destroyed, the determination of sacrificing yourself and the well-being of others for this cause, and faith in the justness of both the cause and the means…
As long as these exist, and as long as the people who truly think in such a manner have guns, funding, and no one trying to stand in their way from among their own, nothing is going to change. People will suffer for the Cause, and around them people will reassure them that this suffering is worthwhile, that if they hold on just a little longer…
You have indeed found the enemy, Drima.
Hamas is smarter in this game, of course. They’re both the carrot and the stick, those who forward the cause of continued suffering and those who supposedly try to allevate the pain. Money smuggling, bringing down the Gaza-Egypt border fence… These are double victories for Hamas, where they show that they truly care for their people, and thus further convince them that the sacrifice of continued “resistance” is worth it.
I don’t want people in Gaza to suffer, Drima, but I won’t trade the suffering of Gazan Palestinians for the suffering of Israelis, and I can see all too well that regardless of anything, Hamas still enjoys enough support and armed force to remain in power (and continue with the Cause) regardless of what is done.
So when are people going to hold Hamas accountable under the Hague Convention?
“119 Israel Children killed
971 Palestinian Children killed”
How many of those Israeli children were carrying bombs?
“1,030 Isrealis killed
4,437 Palestinians killed”
Israelis are winning. How does that have a moral value?
“6,845 Isralis injured
31,815 Palestinian’s injured”
Doesn’t surprise me. The “Palestinians” have a civil war going on.
“Illegal Settlements on other’s land:
223 JEWISH only settlements
0 Palestinan”
That’s because Arab settlements in Israel are not illegal, you loony.
“Israel has 65 UN resolutions addressing it
Palestine-target of none”
That proves it!
Because the UN are not anti-Semitic in the least.
(Still waiting for reparations from Syria…)
Israel = Apartheid South Africa
Palestinians = WWII Jews
IDF = Nazi’s
Settlements = Land Grab
Andrew Brehm = bitch made man
“Israel = Apartheid South Africa
Palestinians = WWII Jews
IDF = Nazi’s
Settlements = Land Grab
Andrew Brehm = bitch made man”
Peace = War
And let’s not forget the all time favourite:
“Kill all the Jews!”
=
“It’s Israel’s fault that there is no peace!”
In fact, all of that can be found here:
http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=81628
And let’s not forget the _actual_ role of “Palestinians” in WWII in relation to Jews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni
I have my own take on how modern newspapers would have covered his adventures in WWII:
http://www.netneurotic.net/Extrablatt/
(The Jewish community in Hebron was thousands of years old; it existed before the Arab colonials ever arrived until the Jews were expelled in 1948.)
I am always shocked, but not surprised, about the number of people who
a) support the same groups that cooperated with and supported the Nazis
b) and do so while those groups have not changed their goals
c) and still target Jews
while claiming that it is Israel, not Hitler, the German NSDAP, and their Arab supporters, who are Nazis.
Or perhaps the argument goes that while Hitler was a Nazi his Arab supporters are certainly not, even if they name children after him and scream “Kill the Jews” when appropriate. I don’t know.
Could somebody explain to me why Arafat declared Hitler’s helper, the then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem a “hero”?
And how do people who have never been in Israel know about the “apartheid” even though I didn’t notice it when I shared a university dorm with Arabs?
And how come Jewish settlements in “Arab” land are “land grabs” while Arabs have colonised the entire middle east and north Africa and don’t seem to be willing to give anything back ever?
How come Jewish settlements are “land grabs” when they have existed for thousands of years?
And why are there so many “Palestinians” if Israel is the new Germany and the “Palestinians” the new Jews? Are Israeli so bad at this Nazi-ing business?
And why do ex-Nazis hide in Syria? And why do white supremacists support the “Palestinians”?
i am sad for the gazans.. truly.. jordan donates sewage pipes and hamas dismantles them and uses them as qassams.. the sewege then surfaces to the streets..
we cant fight hamas for the palestinians.. because it wont be seen as legitimate.. but any resistance by the palestinians is violently smashed by hamastanis..
fyi israeli homes are destroyed daily by rockets.. dont know why this isnt known..
this happened while we were in gaza.. it happened the moment we pulled out (well before the blockade).. and it happened immediately before and immediately after the commencement point of the last truce negotiated with hamas..
i am very sad for the people of gaza..
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