A few nights ago I was at a party and networking function for social entrepreneurs. The MC’s accent sounded American to my ears and so during the break, I approached, curious to know which part of the United States she was from. Stupid move. The reply was very defensive.
“I am not American. Not American. I am not from the United States. I’m Canadian.”
Moral of the story: If you want to piss off Canadians, assume they’re Americans. You may actually succeed.
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During my conference trip two months ago, I sat next to a very friendly lady on board my flight from Chicago to DC. After landing, I took out my passport and as I opened it, she noticed the Arabic writing inside.
“Where are you from?” she asked. “Sudan” I answered. We continued a normal conversation but when it was time to disembark from the plane, she suddenly looked me straight in the eye and said something along the following lines: “You know, not all of us are like that. We’re not all like that. I never voted for him. Not once.”
She sighed. It was obvious. She was upset. There was no mystery to it. Letting me know was her way of finding some comfort.
And so she looked at me one last time. It wasn’t what she said but how she said it. “I can’t believe they prefer to kill Iraqis rather than let gays get married.”
I kept quiet for a few seconds, smiled and politely replied “I know”.
Moral of the story: Some liberal Americans may want to become aware of the number of Arabs and Muslims who are fans of gay marriage.
SudaneseThinker
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I think maybe she needs some smoke in her privates to calm her down a bit…geez…big deal…I’m CANADIAN…whoopee…go kill a seal…
What do you think aboot that? aaaayyyyeee?
Drima, those same liberal Americans that you mention (of the kind that you met) have a very dim view of reality, sadly. “idyllic” doesn’t even start it, though “delusional” gets rather close. And I’m sure that that woman saw every death in Iraq as a direct result of “American imperialism”.
As for the Canadian guy, all I can do is laugh. Seriously, is being mistaken for an American an insult or something?
You realize that she only “confessed” that she didn’t vote for him out of cowardice. She sees you as a crazed muslims (like all the rest), and she wanted to let you know that SHE was a good jew, or atheist or whatever. She is a dhimmi.
I wonder, how did you feel when you saw the dhimmitude in her eyes?
“You know, not all of us are like that. We’re not all like that. I never voted for him. Not once.”
It’s true that not all Americans are “like that”. But as long as _enough_ Americans are “like that”, we can still protect the Kurds, the Jews, and maybe some other minorities in the middle east.
I find it absolutely disgusting when Americans apologize for stopping murderers from gassing Kurds or slaughtering Shiites. It shows a lack of respect for human life that can usually only be found among white supremacists.
In the 1940s the US liberated (!) Germany and made it possible for me to grow up there and be safe. Not all Americans supported that. Not all Americans were “like that”.
But enough were.
Thanks to those and the rest can go to hell with their perverted sense of justice and their sadness that the “minor races” are still alive. They are worse than white supremacists. They don’t believe that Jews and Kurds should die, they simply do not even CONSIDER them. At least the white supremacists recognize the “minor races” as existing.
I find it hilarious that the good woman thinks that being against gay marriage is somehow evil (it is not) but that being against Saddam gassing Kurds or slaughtering Shiites is constitutes a major sin.
In her world, all gays would be married to each other and all Kurds would be dead.
It is people like her that make me believe that however stupid W is, he definitely is the safer choice.
I think I will print out three pictures each of the following:
a) Saddam’s gas attack in Kurdistan
b) the Shia mass graves in southern Iraq
c) Kurdistan rebuilding today
d) pro-American graffiti in Anbar, Iraq.
I found that most people, especially liberals, don’t know about the lot. I have no idea how they form their opinions. Cannot have much to do with reading and thinking.
Wild claim: “Bush killed 600,000 Iraqis!”
Answer: “How do the Americans hide 500 bodies a day? Saddam needed mass graves, the Nazis used furnaces. How does W get rid of the bodies? Magic?”
“You realize that she only “confessed” that she didn’t vote for him out of cowardice.”
I don’t think so. These people are “sincere”. They will gladly “admit” the same opinion to a Jew.
I have had people tell me that they find it perfectly acceptable to expel all Jews from Israel (i.e. including the ones that fled there from other middle-eastern countries) but that it is a crime that “Palestinians” had to leave Israel after they attacked the Jews.
They mean it. They never think about it. They only care about loud people.
it sounds like a tough choice: either you kill iraqis or you let gays get married .. and what if i like to do both ???
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“it sounds like a tough choice: either you kill iraqis or you let gays get married .. and what if i like to do both???”
What if liberals admitted that Kurds and Shiites are Iraqis too and that supporting Saddam gets them killed?
That way we could have gay marriage and kill Iraqis.
But on a more serious note, I do think it will be quite a shock for liberals when they realise that the Wahabi terrorists do not support gay marriage, that the Baathists and other Arab Nazis including the PLO do not respect minority rights, and that the Khomeini idolisers do not support feminism.
At some point they will all realise that the only things they have in common is hatred for Israel (and Jews in general) and complete disregard for the rights of the Kurdish people.
I have been known to tell people that I have never voted for bush. I mean, geez, why I are people freaking out so much about her statements…Sometimes people make statements that don’t need to be delved into so deeply while insinuating things that weren’t really there.
I get pretty miffed because the popular assumption is since Bush is in Government, EVERYONE must have been behind putting him there.
So I do get pretty fuckin’ defensive because I mean, ewww, Bush?
Eww.
I have never met Canadians that sounded “american.” But then again, what does a Canadian even sound like? Have I ever met any? Ok, wait, there was girl in high school and she pronounced her “about” stereotypically. Otherwise…hmmmm….
Haha I get defensive sometimes when people say “you americans” in reference to me. It’s like HEY HEY HEY, I ONLY LIVE HERE AND BEAR THE CITIZENSHIP, I AM SUDANESE (and only a hyphenated american when convenient
hahahaha).
“I get pretty miffed because the popular assumption is since Bush is in Government, EVERYONE must have been behind putting him there.”
I thought the popular assumption was that he stole the election?
Either way, maybe you will understand the reason why I “freak out” when I tell you that I grew up in American-occupied West-Berlin in Germany. Without the American policy of attacking Germany and forcing it to surrender, I wouldn’t have had the life I had (and neither would most people living in Germany now, not even mentioning the rest of Europe).
Israel would not exist, because all European Jews would have died and the PLO and Nasserists would have succeeded in killing all middle-eastern Jews. (They couldn’t have fled to Europe and Israel.)
My entire life, my entire world is thanks to Americans like George W. Bush, and I think that many Israelis and Iraqi Kurds (and some day Darfurians) feel the same.
He might be an idiot and many of his policies can be stupid, but when an American makes it clear that they don’t support him, they are usually referring to the very policies of his that I know have worked in the past, that have kept my family alive and that have kept Israel alive.
I hate it when people apologise for the fact that I am alive. I do not regard myself as perfect or even a good person, but I do demand that people do not feel that my life is some sort of accident they have to apologise for.
What’s the point of supporting gay marriage when we still feel a need to apologise for the existence of people who are different?
I realise that many Germans do not feel the same way about the Americans, but I tend to be loyal to my friends. Americans have died for my freedom and for the Iraqis’ freedom. The Iraqis are thanking them, liberals condemn America for it.
Dalu, if you voted for Bush: thank you. I cannot thank those who were responsible for the American invasion of my own country. But I can thank current American citizens for trying the same thing in Iraq.
The world needs those Americans willing to invade dictatorships.
It is stupid, it is unfortunate, but it is the truth.
I voted for what I thought was the lesser evil.
Kerry.
Sorry. :’\
I was too young to vote the first time around. I was in 8th grade and even then I favored Gore, but only because the Catholic school I went to shoved Bush down my throat. I wasn’t too aware about politics by then…I just thought Bush looked funny and the fact that Gore invented the “internets” was hilarious enough to put him in office.
Hey, what do i know. I am Minnesotan. We put Jesse Ventura ( a WWF wrestler ) into office as our governer.
Yea, there was major election stealing with the case of Bush. Lots of factual, fictional…reasons as to why and how it happened.
“Kerry.”
Why??? I mean I would have voted for Al Gore. I can see why one would vote for Al Gore. But John Kerry??? I cannot remember one thing he actually accomplished or one opinion he actually held for long enough for it to be a cause or part of a platform or anything like that.
The ONLY thing Kerry could have done differently from Bush (after the first four Bush years) would have been a withdrawal from Iraq. And that would have been (and still will be) a disaster. Without the protection by US troops, Iraqi civilians and the new Iraqi army would simply be food for the terrorists and once the Baathists come back to power, without the protection of the no-fly zones, the Kurds would have been next.
How anybody can actually _want_ that is beyond me.
I can see being against the original invasion, but to support a withdrawal, lead by the same person who voted for the invasion, John Kerry, that sounds like a complete man-made disaster to me.
I don’t know who wouldn’t have invaded, since the eventual invasion was US policy ever since Bill Clinton took power, but I certainly know that I wouldn’t trust somebody who favours invasion and withdrawal over the two alternatives (invasion and stay, no invasion).
With all the jokes about George Bush’s stupidity, it should be taken into account that John Kerry was at the same school and got worse grade and it is blatantly obvious why.
The Americans made a big mistake by refusing to help the Shiites when they tried to get rid of Saddam in the early 90s. John Kerry was going to make the same mistake in 2005. What’s the point of helping him?
Have not enough people died under Saddam? Do we really have to hand the country back to the fascist for another run? Again?
Andrew,
Please realize that Bush invaded Iraq under the pretense of weapons, NOT to free the Iraqi people. After no weapons were found, Bush changed the story to freedom.
I appreciate your sentiments about US soldiers in Europe, as my father fought in France and Germany.
Do you still live in Germany?
“Please realize that Bush invaded Iraq under the pretense of weapons, NOT to free the Iraqi people.”
You are abusing the word “realize”. You are asking me to agree with your opinion, not to realise anything.
You are also confusing the issue George Bush brought before the UN with all the issues he had with Iraq. The humanitarian situation was one of them and he often mentioned that. (Alas, before the UN only Saddam’s violation of the cease-fire agreement could possibly count.)
I do NOT agree with you that this invasion was only about weapons. George Bush and his supporters have consistently pointed to many reasons for an invasion, the WMD issue being one of them.
I don’t know what reason you have to assume that George Bush could not possibly have wanted to _liberate_ Iraq as much as stop the WMD programme. I can hardly agree with a position I do not understand and I can certainly not _realise_ something that is opinion and not fact proven beyond doubt.
Also, “pretense” is perhaps not the right word, as I would hardly call it “pretense” when George Bush makes the same claims the French secret service and the British and the Clinton administration have made before him. Unless you have reason to assume that George Bush at the beginning of his presidency knew more than Bill Clinton after 8 years in the job about whether to trust American intelligence, I would suggest you stick to facts. The information that Iraq still had WMDs was _wrong_, but that doesn’t prove that it was _pretence_ to claim such. In fact, had George Bush made any other claim, considering what all western intelligence (thought they) knew at the time, totally contradicting what Bill Clinton and Al Gore had said during their time in office, I would have been rather surprised. George Bush had no reason not to trust the same sources that Bill Clinton trusted.
“After no weapons were found, Bush changed the story to freedom.”
Both George Bush and Tony Blair pointed out Saddam’s links to terrorism (for example, Saddam financed PLO terrorists) and human rights violations in Iraq.
You might not be aware of the name the US gave to the mission: “Operation Iraqi Freedom”. You can agree or disagree with whether free democratic elections constitute “freedom”, but I don’t think you can claim that “freedom” was not a reason given by the administration for the invasion if they named the invasion after it.
It should also be noted that the reasons for the invasion have nothing to do with whether the troops should withdraw now or 4 years ago. The terrorists and Baathists _WILL_ continue to slaughter Shiites and Kurds and dissenting Sunni Arabs when the Americans withdraw. The original reason for the invasion has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with that.
My problem with John Kerry is not that he didn’t support the invasion (he did support it, actually), but that he would have withdrawn the troops, creating even more havoc.
It is one thing to invade a country for a good reason (or even for no reason), but to invade and then withdraw when people need the troops is plain evil, and that was exactly what John Kerry’s voters apparently had in mind.
“I appreciate your sentiments about US soldiers in Europe, as my father fought in France and Germany.”
Thank him for me. You have no idea how much we owe to him and his generation! Most Germans have forgotten how much we owe. Iraqis might or might not think the same. I know that most Iraqi Kurds have a similarly high opinion of the Americans.
“Do you still live in Germany?”
No.
I’m not sure what the argument is…
The US should abandon Iraq to the terrorists and Baathists because Saddam didn’t have WMDs.
Is that it?
Howie and Roman,
Canadians get pissed off by ’stupid’ Americans who have no clue that there is a country called Canada north of the U.S. Equally, they are riled because Americans think Canada should become one of the states of the U.S.
And Howie, what was that about “ayyee?” For the record, not all Canadians punctuate their sentences with “ayee” as you suggest. Only Americans warped in a stereotypical mode of thinking about Canadians (may such as you), still think that way.
And what was that about hunting seals? The insinuation I read here is that Canucks are cruel, animal killers. For the record, seals are an important source of income for communities in Newfoundland and the Inuit who depend on it for food. It is therefore quite naive to think of Canadians the way you think. Hunting seals, if it is evil, is equivalent to the U.S. cruel and stupid rejection of the Kyoto Protocol or even its cruel involvement in Iraq. Get the speck out of your eye before you attempt to get it out of your brother’s eye, so goes an old saying. I hope I have educated you a little.
personally i dont mind the US leaving iraq … but this is because i want this whole region to go up in flames … in my view the US is wasting its time by trying to salvage this wreck which is iraq … iraq is hopeless … if the US leaves iraq the persians and arabs will most likely end by fighting each other directly or through proxies in iraq and probably elsewhere .. which is good … the more they are busy with each other, the less they are messing with us … the US takes on itself the rage that otherwise these people would have directed against each other ..
the US should leave Iraq and let the history began in our region …
Nobody,
I can see your point. But I doubt that most Arabs or Persians want their respective fanatics to wage holy war upon each both peoples. (I doubt that most Persians want to wage holy war on anybody.)
Leaving the two alone to eat each other might do the trick (the “Kerry solution”?), but what happens if one side wins?
I opened a can of worms, I see. :\ I wanted Kerry because I was not for the invasion to begin with. Especially under the false pretenses. And I just find it mildly amusing how the U.S. puts dictators into office and takes them out as they please. The whole thing is really warped and annoying.
Whoa.
“I wanted Kerry because I was not for the invasion to begin with.”
And you figured John Kerry had a time machine?
“Especially under the false pretenses.”
Name the false pretences. The major reasons given were Saddam’s breaking the cease-fire agreement, his support of terrorism, the human rights situation in Iraq, and the WMD programme.
All of those were widely known (even if the last one turned out to be exagerated) to every government in the west and the Clinton administration (who didn’t bomb Iraq in 1998 for fun).
I find it super-arrogant to claim that a commonly believed meme suddenly becomes a “pretense” when George Bush also believes in it.
That Iraq shot at British and American aircraft patrolling the no-fly zone is a fact. Saddam’s support for terrorists is also fact, as is the sad history of human rights violations in Iraq. And Saddam did have a WMD programme and never did prove that he dismantled it.
How George Bush lied to us about something we all knew to be true is beyond me.
But I still don’t see how it is a reason to condemn all Iraqis to renewed life under the Baathosts or whatever terrorists manage to take over the country.
Kerry could not undo the invasion, he could merely weaken the elected Iraqi government (who did and do not want the US to withdraw). So what was the point of voting for him?
Did you hate the invasion so much (why???) that you would rather see the Iraqis under the Baathists again than accept that the invasion happened and cannot be undone without causing more chaos?
“And I just find it mildly amusing how the U.S. puts dictators into office and takes them out as they please.”
Name two such dictators.
I find it mildly amusing what people tell themselves to rationalise their positions.
I have heard the weirdest stories from so-called “peace” advocates. I am still trying to figure out how they can somehow manage to explain to themselves that the US sold arms to Iraq while the Iraqi army used Russian weapons and that the US sold chemical weapons to Iraq but that it was obvious that Iraq didn’t have any etc.. (The fact that neither the US nor Britain sold Saddam anything has nothing to do with the argument.)
“arms deals”
noun, plural
A magical way for nationalist dictators to be armed and supported by the United States and end up with Russian and French weapons. This is not considered odd.
http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/index.asp?aid=81628
Don’t get me wrong. I understand there are many reasons to be against the invasion (although I don’t find any of them too convincing, especially since few American voters not in the military would be much involved anyway).
But why would anybody want the troops to withdraw NOW that, after the invasion, the new elected Iraqi government WANTS them to stay and it is obvious that the terrorists and Baathists cannot be stopped by the new Iraqi army alone.
I don’t consider abandoning the Kurds very honourable either.
With the majority of Iraqis and their government wanting the troops to stay and with terrorists blowing up mosques and Baathists trying to regain power, what could possibly be good about withdrawing the troops anbd abandoning the country?
I an not a Muslim but I do NOT intend to allow the terrorists to blow up mosques. And it does take American troops to stop them.
Dear Asma Ana-
Me sterotyping beastly Canadian seal tortures? Moi?
I don’t know what you are talking aboot.
RK…do you know what she/he is talking aboot…aayyeee?
Andrew Brehm on December 18th, 2007 3:42 pm
Nobody,
. . .
Leaving the two alone to eat each other might do the trick (the “Kerry solution”?), but what happens if one side wins?
what may happen andrew ?? either the shias ethnic cleanse sunnis out of baghdad into this barren wasteland which is the sunni heartland or the sunnis somehow take over baghdad and maybe some other parts of iraq …
it’s between them and themselves now … the US got stuck in the middle … having democratic iraq could be nice, twice these people had elections .. unfortunately it did not work .. now the US should get its ass out of iraq and let these people to fight their long overdue wars …
as to this “I can’t believe they prefer to kill Iraqis rather than let gays get married.”, it’s nonsense of course .. any sane person understands the risks involved .. if the US walks out of iraq now half of the region may go up in flames … but then i think that ultimately it’s a good thing …
the peace camp probably has its own agenda .. and for them a US success in Iraq is a worst nightmare .. it’s clear that caring for iraqis is the last thing they have on their mind .. all this pseudo humanistic pacifist blah blah is a smokescreen of course … but what they are pushing for is in our interests .. they want the right thing for us for their own wrong reasons …
Howie,
Regarding your last post, I don’t know what you mean either. How about that for playing deaf?
“having democratic iraq could be nice, twice these people had elections .. unfortunately it did not work ..”
It worked for the Kurds. And they have no interest in fighting anybody for any reason other than defence of Kurdistan.
If the US walk now the terrorists will count that as a victory. And more people will support them. Withdrawal didn’t help in Gaza, it won’t help in Iraq.
If anything, the US should withdraw into Kurdistan and stay there and wait.
If I were American, I’d be the liberal fundamentalist
“We’re not all like that. I never voted for him. Not once.” would mean:
“Things were pretty bad in Iraq pre-invasion. Now they’re pretty bad too ( some may say worse) AND WE’RE PART OF IT. Except me, I never voted for him. Not once.”
Asma, I believe that you completely and utterly failed to realize Howie’s point - the reaction and behavior of the Canadian in Drima’s story spoke of more than mere annoyance, it spoke of feeling extremely insulted (thus implying that he viewed Americans as inferior to his Canadian self, similar to how a white supremacist would react if he was mistaken for being Jewish), and neither is your “Americans are stupid, ignorant, and want to annex us” comment better by all that great a margin.
Howie was *deliberately* using an *obviously* stereotypical reply to display just how stupidly the Canadian here reacted, by taking his reaction towards Americans and reversing it - to further display its folly by way of sarcasm and absurdity.
Understanding this requires a sense of humor and wit. Ebay may have one available, should you be in a shopping mood.
RK
“Howie was *deliberately* using an *obviously* stereotypical reply to display just how stupidly the Canadian here reacted, by taking his reaction towards Americans and reversing it - to further display its folly by way of sarcasm and absurdity.”
Aayyee?
I don’t like knee-jerk anti-Americanism, but I wonder what the reaction would be if the tables were reversed. I’ve heard put downs of the Canadian army in both the U.S. and Israel, despite the fact that our army has one of the highest casualty rates in the war on terror (among NATO countries, I believe it is right after the U.S. and U.k.) If you don’t see how that could cause a bad taste in Canadians’ mouths, I don’t understand you.
I believe it should be mentioned that signing the Kyoto protocol does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the environment and not signing it does NOT destroy the environment.
To save the earth we have to DO something, not SIGN something. And at the moment CO2 emissions are growing faster in the EU than in the US.
And neither current policy nor Kyoto does anything about methane and other greenhouse gases, even though CO2 is a rather small percentage of the problem.
And that is probably the most stupid and arrogant sentence I have heard in a while:
“Hunting seals, if it is evil, is equivalent to the U.S. cruel and stupid rejection of the Kyoto Protocol or even its cruel involvement in Iraq.”
The rejection of a stupid and useless treaty is NOT “cruel” or “stupid”. What is cruel and stupid is Europe’s insistence that signing useless treaties is somehow equivalent to doing something. Once Europe starts actually REDUCING its emissions, we can talk. Until then the US, who are DOING more at the moment, will remain a scapegoat but not the reason for the greenhouse effect.
But you get 7 fun points for comparing the US involvement in Iraq to killing puppies.
I am sure the terrorists will love the comparison between them and a type of dog.
(Interesting Canadian question: Is killing puppies evil? Wow. That really made my day.)
*he=she, when referring to the Canadian in Drima’s first story. My bad.
A, how is an enterpreneur conference connected to Canadian casualties? Who was ridiculing the Canadian Army here? I’m sorry, but I just don’t understand the connection here.
Aayyee?
I mentioned it, because I thought maybe the reason for the woman’s reaction was not a feeling of superiority to Americans, but rather a result of being defensive about Canadian identity, due to the fact that Canadian contributions often seem to be belittled by Americans (I’m not suggesting anyone here was insulting any Canadian institution, just trying to provide a possible context.) Nevertheless, I found the MC’s reaction kind of strange, since I can never understand why people would care where people think they are from. I really couldn’t care if people think that I’m Jewish, Arab, Italian, American or Canadian. Reacting otherwise ignores free will.
I see no evidence of it in this matter, A. The reaction, if anything, was in the same vein of those who would ignore any effort done by Canada, simply because it was Canada that was doing it. It’s like black racists in the US who say that they view whites with hostility because of what “white society” did to them. This is at best inverse-racism, which is still racism.
Yes, they are many reasons to dislike people, but when you paint an entire nation, or racial group, or religion, with the same brush, to the point where being mistaken for such a person makes you cringe… Suffice to say that that kind of behavior is not a good.
I believe the behavior of the two people I mentioned is based on how they perceive America’s image after the invasion of Iraq and the mishandling of the war.
The first doesn’t want to be associated with Americans and the second wants to distance herself away from the Right as far as possible.
Keep in mind something. The first incident took place outside America and the second within it. Context matters.
The American woman simply felt superior to other Americans and and needed proof for that.
She doesn’t care whether she is right or wrong, she just needs to be different from those low-lives.
The entire world thinks it is superior to America. We are like children with the US as our parents.
What are we going to do aboot the seals, aayyee?
“if the US leaves iraq the persians and arabs will most likely end by fighting each other”
Nobody, strategically very smart but from a humanitarian perspective it’s a sick idea. It will do you some good to shed some of that extreme cynicism you possess.
Andrew, as you know I didn’t support the initial invasion…
“But why would anybody want the troops to withdraw NOW that, after the invasion, the new elected Iraqi government WANTS them to stay and it is obvious that the terrorists and Baathists cannot be stopped by the new Iraqi army alone.
I don’t consider abandoning the Kurds very honourable either.”
My thoughts precisely.
“it spoke of feeling extremely insulted (thus implying that he viewed Americans as inferior to his Canadian self”
Her Canadian self. And yes, you got it right I think. That’s how I perceived her reaction.
It was kinda like “those Americans invade countries and kill innocent people, ewwww, I’m not one of them, yuck, I’m Canadian”.
“Andrew, as you know I didn’t support the initial invasion…”
That’s fine. But that’s really different from abandoning Iraq now, and specifically, from voting for a guy (Kerry) who voted for the invasion and now wants to withdraw.
Maybe America needs a candidate who didn’t support the invasion but does support staying now after the fact.
Kerry’s strategy of doing whatever the current Iraqi government doesn’t want him to do is weird.
Drima on December 23rd, 2007 4:49 pm
“if the US leaves iraq the persians and arabs will most likely end by fighting each other”
Nobody, strategically very smart but from a humanitarian perspective it’s a sick idea. It will do you some good to shed some of that extreme cynicism you possess.
well .. dont get me wrong … i am all for a democratic and modern iraq … i have no issues with g.bush to madly wish for the US to fail in iraq … BUT !!! there should be an understanding that the US is in a win win situation in iraq whether their iraqi project succeeds or it goes down to hell taking with itself half of the region around …
the arabs should have it very clear: the only people that can lose in iraq are iraqis and the arab world … the US wins in iraq, the arabs win too … the US fails, then the arabs should prepare themselves for more of the shia sunni and arabs vs persians mess .. we dont lose a thing by having them truck bombing each other markets and mosques … it’s better to have them busy with each other than with anybody else
“we dont lose a thing by having them truck bombing each other markets and mosques”
Indeed. And I will never understand why so many liberals believe that a) doing that represents “resistance” (against what???) and b) the Americans are to blame for it (why???) and c) an American retreat would stop it.
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