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I assume everybody who reads this blog already knows that Israel is not an anti-Islam racist apartheid state or is at least sufficiently stunned by the arrival of hundreds of black Muslims in Israel so they can be free and live their religion.
The more remarkable point here is, I think, that these refugees still identify as Muslim, even though their oppressors identified themselves as such, and still pray, even though they went through a time that could have made everybody lose hope.
They have fled Egypt for the holy land to be free of oppression.
Can you all realise what Jerusalem will mean for these families?
It’s what it means to Jews.
The reportage ceases at the refugees’ camps and presents no information regarding their future. Is Israel used as a transit point to gain access to other parts of the world? It doesn’t provide any perspective of the Israeli’s immigration and refugee laws either. It would have been interesting to know if and when these African refugees are granted asylum.
It would be interesting to have a peep into that
Rara,
The report did say that they are being given residency and work permits at about the rate they are coming, it just takes a while.
I doubt that the EU or other countries will take them in. They are more words than action.
Very funny from the people who have expelled 1 millions palestinian in less than 2 weeks in 1948…
Very funny from the people who have created an apartheid state leting people dying from disease in big prison like gaza…
Very funny from the people who have sold weapons all over africa and supporting dictators to suppress their people…
Its a poor PR campaign that only them and their affiliated will believe…
Not at all ‘very funny’ chiba dear: if these people would blow up busses and pizerias they wouldn’t be allowed in as well.
Tres simple
“Very funny from the people who have expelled 1 millions palestinian in less than 2 weeks in 1948…
They didn’t. They weren’t expelled. Arab leaders called on them to leave and come back once the Jews are dead. Unfortunately, perhaps, the Arab leaders never followed up on their promise and never killed all the Jews.
“Very funny from the people who have created an apartheid state leting people dying from disease in big prison like gaza…”
That was Hamas. Israel is not responsible for the situation Hamas have created. In Israel Jews and Arabs have the same rights, whether you like it or not.
Gaza has the means to buy weapons. It would have the means to buy food and medicine. It’s THEIR CHOICE. Don’t depend on the Jews while trying to slaughter them. It doesn’t work.
If sending rockets into Jewish kindergardens is more important than medicine, that’s their decision. Don’t blame the Jews for it.
(“Mummy! Mummy! I am trying to murder Jews and it is expensive and now I cannot afford my medicine!” – “Evil Jews! How dare they make it so expensive to kill them!”)
“Very funny from the people who have sold weapons all over africa and supporting dictators to suppress their people…”
If the Arabs wouldn’t try to eliminate Israel all the time, Israel would neither develop arms nor need to sell them to make extra money. Stop the Holocaust and the Jews will stop fighting.
Try to fix your own problems first. The Sudanese dictatorship is one of the worst. Israel’s clients are mild compared to Sudan. South Africa did not murder hundreds of thousands of people. Biafra merely tried to survive. Sudan actively murders black people. But Israel is an apartheid state.
Seems like your victims prefer Israel over the Arab countries.
And seems like Israel “victims” ALSO prefer Israel over the Arab countries.
Make your own countries better. Stop blaming the Jews, you idiot.
“Its a poor PR campaign that only them and their affiliated will believe…”
Plus a few thousand Sudanese refugees from a genocide who would rather believe in Israel than in your words.
Thank G-d they are smarter than you.
I can see why the Jews and Darfurians cannot live outside Israel. I don’t understand why that would apply to Palestinian Arabs.
Maybe you guys have to try harder? The Jews are still alive. Israel has absorbed all the Jewish refugees from the Arab world and is now absorbing (hopefully many) Darfurian refugees.
You might not run out of land to commit genocide in. But with some luck, some people will escape.
The Jews are still alive.
The Jews are still alive,
The Jews are still alive.
And now it’s spreading. Some Darfurians will survive too.
I know that angers you… hehehehe! Fantastic!
Hehehe… those evil Zionists!
First they save all the Jews the Arabs tried to murder, then they refuse to hand over the tiny part of the middle east they managed to survive in, then they rescue the black Jews, then they develop into an economic power, and now they start rescuing black Muslims as well!
The devil must be behind them! G-d would never allow the Jews to survive and the blacks to escape!
And what’s worth, they have this thing where they refuse to hand over their holy city to random invaders! They are such closed-minded fanatics! Good thing they are not allowed in Mecca!
“if these people would blow up busses and pizerias they wouldn’t be allowed in as well.”
You realise that it is completely racist not to allow them in just because they want to kill Jews and are quite vocal about it!
“First they save all the Jews the Arabs tried to murder, then they refuse to hand over the tiny part of the middle east they managed to survive in, then they rescue the black Jews, then they develop into an economic power, and now they start rescuing black Muslims as well!”
Oh dear,
Jew have been living in muslim land from maroco to turkey from hundreds if not thousands of years
They escaped spanish persecution to live in muslim land,
Jew were allowed to practise freely their faith,but look how at the rewarded after that!
An apartheid state!!
And yeah you seems very interesting in rescuing black muslims,so go to somalia,go to ogaden in ethiopia were your weapons are killing black muslim population.
“Jew have been living in muslim land from maroco to turkey from hundreds if not thousands of years
They escaped spanish persecution to live in muslim land,
Jew were allowed to practise freely their faith,but look how at the rewarded after that!”
You seem to be under the delusion that what was maybe true for hundreds of years was still true in the late 19th and early 20th century. It was not.
You believe a lie.
“An apartheid state!!”
I studied at an Israeli university. I shared a dorm with Arab students. There was and is no apartheid in Israel.
You have been told another lie.
It’s only sad that you are willing to believe lies for some reason, lies about Jews.
“And yeah you seems very interesting in rescuing black muslims,so go to somalia,go to ogaden in ethiopia were your weapons are killing black muslim population.”
Nonsense. Israeli weapons are not killing those people, the Islamists are. And they don’t use Israeli weapons.
You believe too many lies.
Start again, maybe visit Israel, maybe take into account that all those Jews were not fleeing Arab countries for fun.
You are a stupid anti-Semite. These things happen. But you can change. Everyone can.
Good luck!
Again, what you have been told is nonsense. It is a lie. You cannot change anything to the better if you accuse Israel of crimes she hasn’t committed.
If you don’t take that into account, there will be more wars. Israel WILL act as violently as she can against further attacks, REGARDLESS of whether you believe that the attacks are justified or not.
chiba,
I am curious though. You have obviously never been in Israel. So who told you that it was an “apartheid state” and why did you believe him?
Did he give you examples of such laws as those that would implement the “apartheid”?
And why does everyone want to move to Israel? Why do Jews, Darfurians, Palestinian Arabs want to live in the country if it is an evil apartheid state?
The Jews don’t want to return to the Arab states they left. What’s so great about Israel that the Arabs want to return to it?
The Jew-free middle east is a pipe dream. Arab nationalists were close to it in 1948 and 1967, but it failed. Get used to it.
I have never been to Israel,yeah that true
Apartheid state?
The wall which is beeing constructed is an apartheid wall,simply as that
“The wall which is beeing constructed is an apartheid wall,simply as that”
Wrong. It’s wall built to protect Israel from attacks. It protects both Jewish and Arab Israelis from the terrorists.
It has nothing to do with “apartheid” and everything to do with not wanting to die.
What’s so wrong about the fence? It simply stops people from killing Jews. How is that a problem?
If that is too restrictive, think about whether maybe there is a problem on the Arab side of the conflict. Without terrorism, there would be no need for a fence.
The fence simply stops people from crossing the border into Israel and Jewish villages in the occupied territory. What’s your problem with that?
s/it’s wall/it’s a wall/
Also note that the fence keeps out the Palestinian allies of the Sudanese government.
The fence is one of the reasons why the Darfurians are fleeing to Israel.
I myself feel much safer if there is a wall between me and the people who want to kill me.
If that makes me an evil racist, so be it. I cannot help it.
What about a compromise? The PLO apologizes for following Arafat and his Nazi uncle, stops people from attacking Jews, stops breaking the peace treaty and the fence goes down in exchage for behaviour that would be civilised.
Israel would be fine with that.
Very funny ? If zionism is racism then arabism is nazism.
What is even funnier is why cannot these particular muslims seek refuge among their muslims brothers in the area?
Well, there Sudanese are escaping murderst Bashir government in Sudan.. The Arab wannabe government in Sudan are killing the african tribes in Darfur and many parts of Sudan.. They welcome arab from middle east into sudan more than the sudanese people. as you can see they’re facing discrimination in Egypt and the egyptian people are racist. people
And yeah you seems very interesting in rescuing black muslims,so go to somalia,go to ogaden in ethiopia were your weapons are killing black muslim population.
Israel is not a manufacturer of AK47′s. It’s a Soviet Bloc weapon, and between the old caches of the various Soviet republics that got into the hands of arms dealers, and countries that still produce them to some extent such as China, North Korea, and Belarus, you have plenty of these across the world.
Do African insurgents/rebels/terrorists/marauding soldiers use Uzi sub-machine guns? Galil assault rifles? Negev machine guns? Tavor bullpup assault rifles? In any quantity that is actually worth noting?
And most importantly, if the answer to any of the above is ‘yes’ (which I doubt), do you have evidence that these weapons were sold by Israel? Go ahead, make my day and actually back your words.
Apartheid state?
The wall which is beeing constructed is an apartheid wall,simply as that
I’m sorry? Have we been forcefully deporting Israeli civilians of non-Jewish descent to live behind said wall? No, I do believe we haven’t been doing that.
Now, please explain to me how a wall that is being built between two countries (one of which has failed to take up every single chance of actually founding itself, but I digress) considered Apartheid? Especially when people in one of these countries openly and deliberately attack unarmed civilians of the other country under the banner of “resistance”? I’m sorry, it stops being Resistance when you attack someone who isn’t wearing a uniform. It turns into the most horrible kind of murder when a sixteen year-old youth is brainwashed by promises of martyrdom and rewards in Heaven, and is then sent with an explosive belt to the nearest Israeli shopping mall.
It was fun growing up during the Oslo Accords years, you know? And the Second Intifada was also a blast. Literally. Day after day after goddamn day, with a minimum of one successful suicide bomber per day. One day there was a lull, and the news reporter was actually surprised when he read that headline.
Oh yes, no suicide bomber today folks. Life is almost normal. Don’t get too used to that, though, because there’s always tomorrow. Well, some of us here got tired of being afraid of entering a bus, or a shopping mall, or a restaurant, or a just grabbing a falafel at a stand.
Oh, and Drima, when you get the chance please explain to the kid why his “PR campaign” is so far off from the truth as to be funny. In a sad kind of way.
Oh dear,
Jew have been living in muslim land from maroco to turkey from hundreds if not thousands of years
They escaped spanish persecution to live in muslim land,
Jew were allowed to practise freely their faith,but look how at the rewarded after that!
Yes. And the aforementioned Morocco and Turkey are just about the two only countries in the region where Jews *weren’t* expelled from (unless we include Iran in our count). Where are the Jews of Egypt? Or Syria? Or Jordan? Or Iraq? Oh, wait… they had to go for a nice long walk. Without their property. And to make sure that they weren’t coming back, said countries made laws about not selling anything to Jews. Not Zionists, not Israelis, Jews.
Now, let’s compare that to refugees escaping an area that was being invaded from every direction, shall we? What an interesting comparison we have. Oh yes, the great Arab Liberation Army, setting out to save the poor Palestinian Arabs… And then the countries participating in said Liberation Army put the Palestinians in camps, didn’t let them leave said camps, didn’t let them get actual jobs or their children to have citizenship rights… Oh yes, the Liberation Army was certainly there to safeguard their Arab Brothers, except that… Except that it didn’t quite keep to said safeguarding once it couldn’t use such lofty claims as a pretext for a war of conquest.
Funny, that. Also funny that the Jews accepted the partition plan offered by the UN, that had divided the area into two countries. One for a Jewish majority, another for an Arab majority. The Jews accepted the partition plan, and the Arabs did not. Tiny details, and yet so very important…
Chiba, Israel’s creation has been a problematic pain in the ass, but the Arab reaction – a reaction very similar to what you display – has been a much bigger and far more problematic pain in the ass.
Chiba-
Most of us here are veterans of this debate…it pretty much takes the predictable course this one has taken…
Do you have any ideas for resolving it…no matter who is at stake?
And can you explain the FACT…fact…that Darfur refugees are doing there best to get OUT of Muslim countries and do risk death trying to get IN places like Israel?
I would like your take on just those two things without all the classic rhetoric…
Would Israel’s creation been a problem AT ALL if the Arabs living within it had decided to stay (and possibly defend the country) and if the Arab countries surrounding it had decided not to attack the new state?
Sure, Israel might not have a Jewish minority any more today and many Zionists might be unhappy; but they would not be more unhappy than they were before Israel’s founding, I am sure.
The Arab “reaction” (and I include Arab behaviour before Israel was founded, including the massacres and cooperation with Hitler’s Germany in the 1930s) is what absolutely justifies a Jewish state in the region.
And that is also the reason why no Jewish state is needed in Europe or America: in those places Jews do live as full citizens with equal rights and as voters, fully accepted (except these days in France, perhaps) and protected.
I think that anyone who is visibly Jewish in an Arab country (except, possibly, Morocco* and Tunisia**) can attest to the fact that a Jewish homeland in the region is needed and that it is not the Jews who make it needed.
*I hear there are 25 Jews in Bahrain who are still alive. But I don’t know how visible they are. I believe Morocco can be considered nearly safe for Jews, definitely more like America and Europe than like the rest of the Arab world when it comes to how Jews are treated.
**In Tunisia it might be EU pressure that keeps the Jews alive. They do live on the islands closest to Europe, I hear.
What does Israel think about The Teddy Bear named Mohammed fiasco? The USA offers unconditional support to Israel and Britain is closely tied to both. Silence or support?
“What does Israel think about The Teddy Bear named Mohammed fiasco?”
The US are offering unconditional support to almost everyone who is trying to survive. I have myself profitted from that when the Russians were out to get us.
“Israel” doesn’t really think anything about the Teddy bear issue, although I figure that most Israelis, being mostly Jews, find the Sudanese government’s obsession with punishing school teachers for NOTHING rather laughable.
I can also assume that most Jews will object to the idolatry displayed by the protesters in Sudan and to the cowardice involved in demanding the death of a woman for allowing a kid to name his Teddy “Muhammed”.
This question is more or less what does the bravest nation of the middle east think about the cowards in Sudan.
What do believing Jews think about idolatry? (And tabooisation of the name “Muhammed” is idolatry. The real Muhammed was a human being, not a god or inconvenient disease that must not be mentioned in polite society.)
There is no death penalty for naming Teddies in Israel.
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