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Too bad there are quite a bit of lunatics in America that support Tom Tancredo.
You have to admit, neocons cannot by any logic condemn Ahmadinejad for calling for the destruction of Israel when they vocally support Tancredo and his calls for nuking Mecca and Medina.
I hear you man. This guy is a real lunatic.
BTW, did you know that he refused to serve in Vietnam, a war he personally supported during his college years? A chickenhawk, nothing more.
You have to admit, neocons cannot by any logic condemn Ahmadinejad for calling for the destruction of Israel when they vocally support Tancredo and his calls for nuking Mecca and Medina.
Um… Find me a Republican in office who openly supports Tancredo. In fact, if the very site Drima linked to is any indication, the Republicans treat the man as a total embarrassment at best. And as a total asshole nut at worst.
If you’ll read the blog a bit further, you’ll see that Tancredo has been blasted by Republican politicians and State Department reps alike, that even the most unknown Republican candidate can do better at fund-raising for his campaign than him, and that a grand total of 2% of the Republican voters support him according to one survey mentioned on the blog.
Hell, another survey mentioned there, a Fox News one at that, says that Tancredo didn’t even register enough support to *be* on their survey.
I mean, yes, the man’s totally fucked-up, but why on earth are you lumping other people in with him? That’s not just unfair to the people who you are, in fact, lumping in with him, it also clearly shows that you use crass simplistic labeling of political groups. Which doesn’t reflect all that well on you, Danial.
As for my opinion on the man, he’s fucked-up. Totally fucked-up. But at the same time, he’s just one man.
I hear you too Roman. This dickhead doesn’t represent neo-cons, unless Danial can provide some links supporting his claim.
Either way, Tom Tancredo is loooooooooooooooony!
Roman Kalik, I usually respect your posts, but this one disappointed me. Let me clarify:
“Um… Find me a Republican in office who openly supports Tancredo. In fact, if the very site Drima linked to is any indication, the Republicans treat the man as a total embarrassment at best. And as a total asshole nut at worst.”
So when does neo-con automatically equal Republican? I am a Republican and I do not ally myself with the neoconservatives. I do agree that Republicans have been distancing themselves from his lunacy. Even Jeb Bush despises his ass for a comment he made about Miami being a “third world country”.
However, you cannot deny the fact that this lunatic has quite a bit of supporters in this country. There are people in this country who vocally support nuking Mecca and Medina. Hell, those Phalangist kids that Drima linked to a few months back are living proof.
Just because I said neocons doesn’t automatically mean I’m lumping with Republicans, since I am also a Republican as well.
Hope that clears that up.
“If you’ll read the blog a bit further, you’ll see that Tancredo has been blasted by Republican politicians and State Department reps alike, that even the most unknown Republican candidate can do better at fund-raising for his campaign than him, and that a grand total of 2% of the Republican voters support him according to one survey mentioned on the blog.”
Oh yeah, I’m well aware of that. Tancredo even got more hawkish and blasted back at the State Department. Pretty brass balls for someone who has never even served, now isn’t it?
“Hell, another survey mentioned there, a Fox News one at that, says that Tancredo didn’t even register enough support to *be* on their survey.”
Yeah that is true.
“I mean, yes, the man’s totally fucked-up, but why on earth are you lumping other people in with him? That’s not just unfair to the people who you are, in fact, lumping in with him, it also clearly shows that you use crass simplistic labeling of political groups. Which doesn’t reflect all that well on you, Danial.”
See, I am lumping him with the lunatics who agree with him, not necessarily other Republicans.
“As for my opinion on the man, he’s fucked-up. Totally fucked-up. But at the same time, he’s just one man.”
True but he still has the support of a vocal minority who believe were in the middle of a “clash of civlizations” and the rest of the trash that represents LGF and JihadWatch.
Danial, it was wrong of me to assume this generalization. I apologize.
But I would still like to further understand your argument regarding neocons. What I know of neocons is of their support for Democratic revolutions (with the US actively participating in them), and their economic policy of tax cuts as a growth encouragement.
The phalangist kids were sectarian, which is little different from racism. Tancredo is vengful and a tit-for-tat man. JihadWatch and LGF are one-sided and attract bigots.
So my question is, how does the above tie in with neoconservatism? Is Tancredo a typical neocon politician? Would neocon politicians support his views?
Roman, it’s cool. I knew you to be balanced so I refrained from going off on you lol
“What I know of neocons is of their support for Democratic revolutions (with the US actively participating in them), and their economic policy of tax cuts as a growth encouragement.”
No offense, but the US doesn’t really give two shits about democratic revolutions unless it suits them. The US didn’t care about democracy when supporting George Papadoupolos in Greece, Suharto in Indonesia, shah of Iran, or even Augusto Pinochet of Chile, so what makes us think we can go implement democracy in a region where we propped up despotic regimes in the first place is beyond me.
And if the US government really cares about democracy, then why not respect the wishes of the winners in Middle Eastern countries? Yeah I know they will elect Islamists but that’s what happens when one lives under despotic secular governments in which the “other” seems more appealing. Same logic in Iran since Iranians are fed up living under despotic theocratic regimes. Why not cut aid to Egypt if Mubarak doesn’t implement more democratic reforms?
I guess you can say my politics are more in line with other conservatives like Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul. I’m not a big fan of interventionism, but that’s just me.
If you are, that’s cool with me also, since you made it clear that you’re not one of the people that represent LGF and JW to the core.
And well, Tancredo is so far to the right that I don’t even know that neocon would be suitable for him.
Neoconservative politicians cannot support his views in public due to the backlash it would endure. Like I said before, Tancredo makes Bush look like a Jane Fonda liberal.
The US tends to go for a more pragmatic line when persuing long-term goals, which often entailed crap today for a potential pie tomorrow. Many times, this resulted in a crap pie.
Neocons are far less pragmatic, though. In fact, if my memory serves, neocons supported the removal of Pinochet, as well as of some anti-Communist Caribbean dictator whose name I can’t remember. Neocons are, if anything, rash. Too focused on nation-building models like Germany and Japan. It just doesn’t always work out that way.
I could be dead-wrong about everything, mind you. I’m not American, so my knowledge of American politics is not firsthand.
My impression of the neocons, after reading of the original neocons of a few decades past who were first members of the political Left (at times the more radical part of it), is that they retained the revolutionariesque mindset they had while moving to a different set of ideals. They want to reshape the world.
Whereas the old conservatives focus away from foreign matters as a rule.
I wouldn’t call Tancredo a “neocon”. And he ’s definitely not a Libertarian, or an old school Conservative either. He may not even have a political philosophy, for all I can tell. He may just be an “issue” guy. Picks an issue here and there that matters to him (or that matter to voters) and run with them.
Interesting discussion Danial and Roman. I’ve always been curious about what it really means to be a neocon.
If there’s anything I noticed about neocons, then it’s their vision for freedom and democracy in other countries. Obviously there are contradictions in their actions but when compared to today’s Left, they do have a stronger ideal of wanting to spread democracy in other countries.
I bet what Bush and Cheney had in mind for Iraq was the same thing that America did for countries like Germany post-WW2. Sadly the opposite happened.
Most of the time, I notice people make “neocon” seem like a dirty word. Kinda like “Zionist”.
“Most of the time, I notice people make “neocon” seem like a dirty word. Kinda like “Zionist”.”
It’s also usually the same people… and for the same reasons.
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