The Ultimate Proof of How Patriarchal Muslim Societies Oppress Women

Posted on August 2, 2007
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Hairy Male Thighs Free for All to See, Evil Tempting Strands of Female Hair Coerced Into Hiding

NOTE: Before getting accused of being all kinds of vile things, let me clearly state that I do not think less of any woman who wears the hijab. What’s inside a woman’s head matters way more than what’s on top of it. In addition to that, the majority of my female relatives wear the hijab.

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I’m not an advocate of the hijab. I’m not an advocate of harsh secular laws that ban religious garments and symbols either. A Muslim woman should be free to choose whether she wants to cover her hair or not. Sadly, in various Muslim countries that’s not the case, thanks to genius Islamic scholars and brainwashed hijabi Muslim women who parrot the former’s lines.

Common Islamic logic in such societies says that Muslim women must follow the strict Islamic female dress code.

When leaving the home, a Muslim woman must at least cover her hair and body in loose and unrevealing clothing, obscuring the details of her body from the public; some also choose to cover their face and hands. The wisdom behind this dress code is to minimize sexual enticement and degradation in society as much as possible for both men and women.

If they don’t do so in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and previously even Sudan, they get harassed and intimidated. Wonderful, I know. However when it comes to men, the Islamic male dress code flies out of the window.

A man must always be covered in loose and unrevealing clothing from his navel to his knee. This is the absolute minimum covering required. He must never, for example, go out in public wearing a short bathing suit.

Behold! I present to you last World Cup’s Iranian football team.

Iranian team

Let’s dance and celebrate the double standards! But before we do that, please allow his Excellency Mufti Drima, the Sudanese Thinker to issue a Fatwa which all Muslims must blindly follow if they want to avoid eternal pain in the fires of hell.

It’s the moral duty of Ahmadinejad to punish the Iranian football team for revealing their hairy thighs and knees. The same goes for the House of Al Saud and other genius, wise, hijab advocating Islamic scholars. The Saudi football team must be punished accordingly. Moreover, since rape crimes are on the rise, female “moving black tents” (also known as ninjas) must not be allowed to walk in public. The way they move even when fully covered is still too tempting. From now on they’ll be transported inside boxes. Little eleven year old girls might have the same fate too. While we’re at it, let’s also reform Sharia laws so that boys as young as 7 will be forced to wear their own ninja costumes since many pedophiles are finding it difficult to control their extreme urges.

End of Fatwa.

Please spread the word or else Satan will bite you in your sleep tonight.

You may dance now.

Comments

43 Responses to “The Ultimate Proof of How Patriarchal Muslim Societies Oppress Women”

Roman Kalik on August 2nd, 2007 7:56 pm

Heh, Judaism has a similar dress code for men, and I myself don’t wear shorts as a rule.

Double standards are fun, though. How easily they come to pass…
Drima on August 2nd, 2007 8:00 pm

“Double standards are fun, though”

Oh, please tell me about it!

*banging head on table*!
Roman Kalik on August 2nd, 2007 8:36 pm

Careful, you might get virtual splinters in your forehead. *not* fun, that.
HalalHippie on August 2nd, 2007 9:49 pm

ah.. the hijab, my 2nd fave subject.

If I were the Creator and having created Arab and Sudanese women, I would want the world to see.

Double standards ? well, Muslims are all uppity over France banning the hijab, while KSA et al. bans jeans and t-shirt.

In the ideal world, you could have two women walking together wearing the burqa and shorts/t-shirt respectively both in Mecca and in Rome. Where do you think it’s more possible ?

Let’s make a “Solomonic” fatwa: let’s make it mandatory ONLY for ugly women to wear the burqa —- everywhere
Andrew Brehm on August 2nd, 2007 10:23 pm

“In the ideal world, you could have two women walking together wearing the burqa and shorts/t-shirt respectively both in Mecca and in Rome. Where do you think it’s more possible?”

Had the Saudis not stolen Mecca from the Hashemites, we might live in that world.

However, I have one conservative and one liberal point to make:

1. I do NOT consider the burqa as something women should even be allowed to wear because I do not believe that ANYBODY would WANT to wear that. It’s discrimination against women, even if they “agree” to wear it. Head scarf, modest cloths are fine, the burqa is not. Cloths that cover the face are also illegal in many places because they cover the face.

2. I do NOT approve of the idea of wearing jeans/t-shirts in the Vatican or the Kaaba. It’s not appropriate.
Drima on August 3rd, 2007 2:55 am

“Let’s make a “Solomonic” fatwa: let’s make it mandatory ONLY for ugly women to wear the burqa —- everywhere :-)”

LOOOL!
kinzi on August 3rd, 2007 5:29 pm

What a great point. We were just in Taba, Egypt, where topless South African women swam in the same pool with Hijabiyyas (well, they tried to swim). Even stranger, the covered ladies’ husbands were in teeny Speedos, the SA husbands in trunks to their knees.
HalaHippie on August 3rd, 2007 6:17 pm

Andrew, you “do NOT approve of the idea of wearing jeans/t-shirts in the Vatican or the Kaaba. It’s not appropriate.”

Quite agree, I said Rome and Mecca.
humble simpleton on August 3rd, 2007 7:38 pm

What I find funny about Islam is, that it can’t withstand even a simplest logic (it is religion after all).
Let’s see, woman must cover herself, because if not, she is the target of intimidation, harassment or even sexual violence. Now is the right time to ask again, what was this “jihad”? Holly war? Where did you hear such nonsense? It is “struggle to conquer your animal urges” stupid. Well, then if you see uncovered woman, it is no distraction to you, because you can control your urges, right? And if not, you utterly failed in your “jihad” and will burn in hell.
As I see it, I as a westerner, am better muslim than most, because the women here don’t cover their (GOD FORBID!) hair, and so far I did not rape anybody, thus my jihad is perfect. I think that some muslims will be surprised, when they die and will not find their maidens, but instead they find themselves as a maiden to SHAITAAN. (sorry, don’t know the right spelling.) Muahahaha.

PS: Excerpt from some declaration of some group dedicated to the worship of the almighty:
“We, the mighty chicken, who fearlessly wave our Kalashnikovs, but are too much afraid to show our faces, hereby declare the “struggle to conquer our animal urges” to all West, and death to America of course.”
howie on August 3rd, 2007 8:28 pm

I mostly think of HEAT…Just like the Orthodox guys…all in black and it is HOT in most Muslim countries and Israel is nasty too…How do they stand it…Forget discrimination…I think it is foolish and cruel…

I would like to quote a fellow Jew…his name was Jesus…he said something like: be more concerned about what comes OUT of you mouth than what goes IN (referring to food prohibitions)…

Same idea holds…let’s get a bit more excited about humans being decent…OR

Likes make it mandatory for all hot chicks to where thongs in the summer…now there is a religion I would join…hallelujah selah!!!!!

Ah yes…I used to be a Jew…but I am now Thongish…or no…I am a Thonglim

Like it..like IT
Nizo on August 4th, 2007 3:14 am

Why not send all the women back to Venus?

That way everyone can run around naked with no fear of inciting the animal urges of the opposite sex.
lirun on August 4th, 2007 11:27 am

oh nice one nizo.. we face an ecological world catastrophe on earth and you save only the women..

you ladies man you..
Nizo on August 4th, 2007 12:13 pm

What catastrophe ya Lirun? Don’t tell me you’ve listening to Gore & co. It’s all a giant conspiracy against the much-maligned and demonized oil companies.

Tayeb, send the women to Venus and the men to Mars. Bottom line, I stronly urge they be permanently separated so the still secretive phase II of my master plan may begin…
Ahmad al-Safawi on August 4th, 2007 3:33 pm

Listen here, the islamic dresscode is’nt made up by the scholars, it is made up by our Prophet (S). Read the books of Ahadith.
Drima on August 4th, 2007 3:42 pm

Ahmad, I appreciate the advice. I really do and I’m not trying to be disrespectful or sarcastic.

That being said, can you please elaborate your argument? Don’t just drop me “the ahadith said so” line. Interpretation my friend, there are numerous different ones.

However let’s for a minute just say that you’re absolutely right and I’m completely wrong, what do you have to say about the main point of this post?

The double standards are blatant and so damn obvious! Patriarchal Muslim societies oppress women, plain and simple. If there are ongoing campaigns bombarding women that they if they cover their, they will be better Muslims, then where on earth are the campaigns that tell Muslim men to stop wearing shorts??

When was the last time you heard a fatwa by al-Qaradawi (who is a strong advocate of hijab by the way) against the Egyptian football teams and how they’re violating Islamic law by exposing their knees and thighs? WHEN?

DOUBLE STANDARDS!
Sheema on August 4th, 2007 4:49 pm

Couldn’t agree with you more, Drima…and all this time I thought I was the only one who noticed! Incidentally, the most visible examples of this can be seen during ‘Arab Season’ in Malaysia when all the rich Gulf tourists flock over here.

And I wouldn’t put too much stock in hadith…oral history is always the most notoriously unreliable when it comes to transmission of facts, and much of it is coloured by personal (often misogynistic) interpretation anyway…
Sheema on August 4th, 2007 4:53 pm

And, YES, wearing hijab can be pure torture. I spent many excruciating years wearing it, in a hot and humid climate, before I finally found the courage to take it off. I still have nightmares about it.
Roman Kalik on August 4th, 2007 5:37 pm

Howie, actually and over-abundance of clothing (even dark clothes) is perfect for dry heat. Just ask the Bedoin. And you’ll find that in the more hellish humid heat, folks here who wear the black coat take it off and walk in their white long-sleeved shirts.

Heat is not much of a problem for those who handle it sensibly. Fortunately, no one here forces people to handle it unsensibly.
Don Cox on August 4th, 2007 8:01 pm

“I do NOT consider the burqa as something women should even be allowed to wear because I do not believe that ANYBODY would WANT to wear that.”

A while ago when I lived in Cambridge (England), there was a woman who could be seen often, going around hidden under an enormous umbrella. It wasn’t the weather, she just could not bear to be seen. If anyone went too near her, she would hiss at them.

So, yes, there are some people who want to be completely covered.

But as for Iranian dress codes, why women’s hair has to be covered and men’s hair does not, is a mystery. Or it would be, if Iran wan’t a male-dominated society.
tsedek on August 5th, 2007 3:59 am

Ahmad even if you’re right don’t you think a woman has enough brains to decide so for herself instead of let men or governments force it upon them “playing God”?
Drima on August 5th, 2007 4:03 am

“the most visible examples of this can be seen during ‘Arab Season’ in Malaysia when all the rich Gulf tourists flock over here.”

EXACTLY Sheema! The husband will be walking in his shorts which expose his hairy knees and legs, while the wife will be following him completely covered from head to toe except for the eyes of course.
Daana on August 5th, 2007 5:12 am

Double standards in muslim societies are many and extend beyond just men oppressing women to women oppressing each other as well. As for the subject of hijab there are many interpretations of the quranic verses as to what is the exact meaning of them. The Islamic dress code for both men and women revolves around modesty (not exposing skin, not wearing flashy colors, and for men not wearing silk or gold) and it stems from both the Quran and the Sunna. Niqab or covering the face I think (not sure if this is correct) is a bedouin tradition not an islamic one because in Hajj women are not allowed to cover their faces (which makes me think that it was a practice that has nothing to do with Islam, otherwise why would it be ok to wear it sometimes and not the others). Hijab’s controversory however did not start until the 20th century, and again I maybe wrong, but I haven’t read any opinions challenging it before that. Another observation that makes me think that hijab or covering the hair is credible is that there are similar practices for it in both Judaism and Christianity. Orthodox Jewish women wear wigs to cover their real hair. I also talked to a few christian eastern european women who wore head scarves to see if that was just a custom in their culture or not, and some of them claimed that it is a religious duty from the bible. Now I didn’t try to research the topic to be sure simply because I don’t know which versions of the bible to consult, but I sure hope somebody would clarify for me whether that’s true or not. Back to the subject of double standards, In Islam their is a concept that talks about lowering your gaze to prevent fitna; however, I rarely ever hear that being talked about in comparison to the issue of women covering up.
Roman Kalik on August 5th, 2007 6:30 am

In Judaism, married women (and only married women) are told to cover their hair. The form of hair covering today varies from wigs, to hats, to head-scarves. The variation depends on the traditions of the particular Jewish community and the traditions they follow, as well as purely fashion-related considerations.

Hair-covering is mentioned clearly in the Torah, and as such in the Christian Bible as well (as the books of the Torah are included in the Bible).
Daana on August 5th, 2007 6:11 pm

thank you Roman Kalik for the clarification
Roman Kalik on August 5th, 2007 6:35 pm

Heh, and as usual I ended up repeating something in my reply. What I meant to add to traditions was religious leaders. I really have to start proof-reading.

And don’t mention it, Daana.
Ahmad al-Safawi on August 5th, 2007 8:36 pm

Drima: I absolutely agree with you regarding the dobule standards. That is why i mentioned nothing about it.

Please, tell me specific what you want. Ahadith inform us that women have to cover everything except hands and face. If you want me to cite an intepretation, that would be the opinion of the 3ulama2. And what i tried to tell you is that the dresscode is not something made up by the 3ulama2, it is actually based in sayings of our Prophet (pbuh).
Ahmad al-Safawi on August 5th, 2007 8:51 pm

Tsedek, if you did read my post, you would see that i did not express my opinions about how a married couple should handle that issue. Neither did i express my opinion about state-sanctioned wearing of hijab. All i did was presenting the fact that Hijab is not invented by the scholars, it is from the hadith.

It is up to you guys if you find ahadith trustworthy or not. It is just wrong to say that the dresscode is invented by islamic scholars.
halalhippie on August 5th, 2007 8:53 pm

Drima, Sheema, Ahmad, any other Muslims here ?
Snipped this hadith from mideastyouth. Ever heard of it ?

When the son of a prominent companion of the Prophet asked his wife Aisha bint Talha to veil her face, she answered, “Since the Almighty hath put on me the stamp of beauty, it is my wish that the public should view the beauty and thereby recognized His grace unto them. On no account, therefore, will I veil myself.”
Ahmad al-Safawi on August 5th, 2007 9:03 pm

No, i haven’t heard of it. Is the source aviable to you? I might try looking it up.

In any case, this is not a narration attributed to the Prophet (saw), and as such, it should not be treated as one.
halalhippie on August 5th, 2007 11:33 pm

I thought as much: it was posted by one Randall Jones, and American, it seems.

But it hits my wiev on the hijab on the spot
Sheema on August 6th, 2007 3:25 am

Halalhippie:
A narration that actually encourages emancipation of women from hijab??

You can bet that was never taught to us in Islamic School.
Drima on August 6th, 2007 10:18 am

Halalhippie, I haven’t heard of that one before. But even if it’s true, it only matters depending on the context of the conversation. The statement wasn’t made by the Prophet himself.

Hadith is only a saying of the Prophet himself, not others.

Btw maybe you should check out this link:

http://www.submission.org/dress.html
halalhippie on August 6th, 2007 7:18 pm

Oh Yeah…. submission.org they’re Quranyeens (sp!) [Qu’ran-only’es] ? Been there b4, they too sane to be Muslims (sorry)

How about this one then:”Asma bint Abu Bakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma’, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands”

Surely you know this one…. as I see it, the Prophet stated an _opinion_ about modest dress. He didn’t claim it was a Divine Message: if so it would’ve been in the Book.

But what do I know ? I’m just an infidel. At any rate, in my end of the world the fundy suit may be seen as provocative rather than modest. If the purpose is to go unnoticed, it doesn’t work.

If only Arab women were ugly, then I wouldn’t mind
Ahmad al-Safawi on August 7th, 2007 10:23 am

Halalhippie: Yes, they are Quraniyen or what we call Manakir alahadith (hadith rejectors). Their movements are spreading rapidly in the West.

And the hadith you cited, yes, it is indluced in the Sunan of Abu Dawood, and it was that hadith i referred to before.

Now, lets analyse your view of this hadith. It is wrong to say that it was nothing but the personal opinion of our Prophet (pbuh), for Allah Almighty says: “He does not speak of his own desire. It is only what is revealed by Allah” (Surat al-Najm) so our Prophets (pbuh) words are a part of our religion and can be used.

This also contradicts the argument “he did’nt claim it was a divine message”. In fact all what the Prophet pbuh taught us is a divine message.
No Angel on August 8th, 2007 2:40 pm

halalhippie,yes that hadeeth is true but the thing is u see, the prophets(saw) opinions expressed in his narrations are always backed up by a divine cause,nothing the prophet(SAW)said in his narrations was contradicted by the quran quite in fact the opposite it backed up his teachings(just found out i repeated ahmads words sorry ahmad and im soo not deleting this;)),and if i didnt misunderstand you halalhippie the hijab is mentioned in the book(quran) surat alnur verse:31
“and tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent(i.e face and hands and feet)and that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands their fathers,their husband’s fathers,thier sons or thier husbands sons or thier brothers or thier brother’s sons or sister’s sons or male attendants who lack vigour or children who know naught of women’s nakedness,and let them not stamp thier feet so as to reveal what they hide of thier adornment,and turn to allah together,o believers that ye may succeed”
and drima i found this veerrryy intresting article relevant to what you’re wondering about, hope it helps..
www.soundvision.com/info/news/hijab/hjb.choice.asp
HalalHippie on August 8th, 2007 10:25 pm

Ahmad & Angel , thx for clarifying: I mean no disrespect, but this hadith business is rather confusing: no wonder some reject them all toghether.

“all what the Prophet pbuh taught us is a divine message.”

Now, suppose X narrated that Y was told by Z that the Prophet, when offered a cup of coffee, chose two lumps of sugar. Would that make if mandatory for a Muslim to take his coffee with two lumps ?

If I understand correctly, the ahadith are collections of the life and sayings of the Prophet, whereas the Qu’ran is “The Works”, not of his own making.
Drima on August 9th, 2007 1:07 am

Thanks for the link No Angel.
Drima on August 9th, 2007 3:11 am

Halalhippie, I get just as confused as you do. That’s why lately I’ve been picking up more books on Sharia. For issues on Islamic reform and Sharia, check out Ali’s blog often. He’s cool and is well versed in the area.

eteraz.wordpress.com
Ahmad al-Safawi on September 1st, 2007 1:58 pm

Halalhippie:
No, it would MAXIMUM make it a sunnah.
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