Race, Perceptions & Stereotypes

Posted on June 7, 2007
Filed Under General Thoughts, Racism |

I found this both extremely interesting and damn amusing. It had me laughing really hard. The title chosen by whoever uploaded it is pretty dumb and misleading though. Anyways, check it out. It’s only a minute and a half long.

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49 Responses to “Race, Perceptions & Stereotypes”

DZA on June 7th, 2007 4:53 pm

hey drima, what up
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=62709961&blogID=268437465&Mytoken=95F84AD9-7A3

peace my brotha
Drima on June 7th, 2007 5:04 pm

DZA salam 3amil shno ya zool.

Man, what’s the context of that video? The video itself is damn interesting and funny but do you have any idea about the context?
Drima on June 7th, 2007 5:05 pm

Makes you think about racial profiling and its effectiveness too.
Andrew Brehm on June 7th, 2007 7:27 pm

Ok, here we go:

I preferred the Chinese guy over the Arab guy and the white guy over the black guy.

I know more Arab Jews than Chinese guys so the Arab guy looked more familiar to me and more likely to be an acquaintance of mine. I am also living in southern Dublin where most foreigners appear to be Arab whereas in the north there are many Chinese students.

However, the Chinese guy looked like a smart guy who didn’t care much about his looks whereas the Arab appeared to have paid special attention to make his beard and style look as if he wanted to impress people with his strength. I _always_ dislike people who create the impression that they are trying to look raugh and strong.

Now, I never liked the American black culture. Most American blacks seem to believe that they have to fit into the cool rapper image (and the appropriate accent) and I really hate that, partly because I dislike the cool rapper culture and partly because I find it idiotic to believe that race should dictate behaviour. The white guy seemed dumb to me, the black guy seemed like he was trying to be cool. I disliked them both, but I thought I knew more about the black guy (and what I thought I knew wasn’t good, i.e. the rapper thing).

The experiment seems to be a comparison of cultures. Do I prefer a guy from a secular (and unfortunately somewhat violent) communist culture which is well-known for producing a lot of useful stuff over a guy from a backwards violent specifically anti-Semitic pagan culture which is well-known for throwing rockets at me and mine? Yes! Either could be friendly and either could be a jerk, but chances are better that the Chinese guy will not hate me for my opinions or what I am whereas, unfortunately (and yes, that’s prejudice) chances are high that the Arab might.

I think the problem with prejudice is not only that it is difficult to get rid of it but also that as long as it works better than tolerance it will survive.
DZA on June 8th, 2007 11:51 am

all i know is that its on ABC, that’s probably why they got a picture from the middle ages for the arab dude, its also a reason for not trusting it, cuz you know, you cant trust corporate news.. but still, those kids can’t fake their feelings, and if they think the arab dude in the pic is a “robber” its not their fault, its the mass media fault, i guess you know what i mean..

Andrew, looool man.. im not disrespecting but your reply was funny man, so he “paid special attention to make his beard and style look ” .. lol, and yeah, stop watchin too much tv man, not all afican americans are rappers, thats what TV tells us, but we still remember the black panthers and malik shabbaz and MLK and all the other freedom fighters, in the end if your an african american you have to be a freedom fighter, cuz its not like you came to the states in a first class airplane, niggaz didnt foget the slave ships and won’t forget it.
Andrew Brehm on June 8th, 2007 1:43 pm

DZA,

So what do you think is the image that particular hair style was supposed to create?

Black panthers? _Freedom fighters_?

I didn’t say all “African-Americans” were rappers, I said that I notice that most of them seem to think that they have to behave like rappers. I like neither rappers nor people who imitate them.

And what does “niggaz didnt forget the slave ships” mean? Give me the name of even one black American who actually remembers a (American or other western) slave ship!

Black Americans have the same connection to slavery as white Americans. They happen to live in a country where slavery was still legal in the 1860s. That is all. Neither whites nor blacks have a specific connection to being slaves or masters. The slaves and masters were OTHER PEOPLE.

Grouping Martin Luther King with the black panthers as “freedom fighters” shows a lot of disrespect for the man. I personally admire King and I have to reject your childish accusation that he and the black panthers belong in the same category. You should also know that King supported non-violence and civil behaviour, he was not a “fighter” in the sense that the word is usually used for when people call terrorists “freedom fighters”.

King advocates a colour-blind society and saw no differences between races.

The black panthers are the complete opposite. They are black nationalists, supported segregation, wanted special laws that would exempt blacks from military service etc etc etc.

Grouping a non-violent non-racist with violent racists is idiotic.

DZA, you seem to be stuck in a world where race dictates behaviour. I hope you can overcome that. The only thing King and the panthers had in common was their skin colour. You will learn, eventually, what King taught: that skin colour doesn’t matter and is therefor not something were having it in common is of any relevance whatsoever.
Suzanne on June 8th, 2007 3:11 pm

I did not recognise Timothy McVeigh and my first impression of the white guy was: this guy is a serial killer or something.
And about the black guy: he’s a police officer.

Concerning the Arab and the Chinese guy: the Chinese guy was just cute and i dont like beards.
Andrew Brehm on June 8th, 2007 3:18 pm

“I did not recognise Timothy McVeigh and my first impression of the white guy was: this guy is a serial killer or something.”

I thought he looked dumb.

“And about the black guy: he’s a police officer.”

Yeah, he has that evil authoritarian look, doesn’t he?

“Concerning the Arab and the Chinese guy: the Chinese guy was just cute and i dont like beards.”

Yes, I thought the Chinese guy seemed more friendly.
Nomad on June 8th, 2007 8:12 pm

the guy with the blue turban is a Sahraoui (Amazigh) ; actually these people have no state since Marroco annexed their territory : western sahara. I prefer his face to the chinese one ; psychologically speaking, he has a frank and intelligent glance in comparison to the chinese, more impersonnal, we can’t know what he is thinking ;

even not being a profiler , one can see that the black is more trustful than the white (a child did see the white might have a problem)

well, I have no problem with the races or clichés, just the individuals, so my guess, which one would be the sexiest, definitely the sahraoui, the kindest, may-be the black, I would not like for sure to have to meet the white, and the chinese only behind a commercial desk
jonah84 on June 9th, 2007 6:01 am

I think I have seen similiar version of this show.
I am not suprised by the kids response. The arab with his beard and traditional attire to most american could be associated with Osama in Tora Bora… I mean every footage you see of Osama on CNN shows him with traditional arabic or afghan attire or Iraqi footages of carnages or “axis of evil” so it is easy to associate him with the negative… so the chinese? or far east asian wins by default…

In terms of McVeigh vs the brother? Well, as much diverse as america is there is not mixing or healthy interaction especially in the middle or “red” state. Also the image or portrayal of black american characters in media which is now improving but historically was mostly negative…

By the way, I feel you might profiling African American Culture or just equating it with Rap culture… when you say

“Now, I never liked the American black culture.”

Is this also inclusive of elements of African-American culture well let’s just stick to music… Jazz, Blues, Gospel Rock and Roll, Funk, Disco, etc…
I know this is just music what about comedy like Richard Pryor or Chris Rock..
I know Rap music started in the inner city of New York area…among African American youths… and like any genre it has its good side and bad side…

But rap is big business now… and rappers are celebrities just like Paris Hilton and I am sure “most” young girls or woman to be like Paris…

But I find it hard to stereotype a whole culture for just one its elements…

But of course, it is your personal preference to “never like American Black culture”.
Andrew Brehm on June 9th, 2007 10:28 am

“But of course, it is your personal preference to “never like American Black culture”.”

I was talking about the current black culture, not previous incarnations. I love Blues, but I don’t see it being the mainstream culture among blacks currently.
DZA on June 9th, 2007 4:30 pm

Andrew, you keep talkin bout the “mainstream culture among blacks currently”, where exactly do you get that prespective from? i have strong feelings its BET or MTV, am I right? if so, i don’t need to waste my time replyin to you anymore..
and oh, you know what else the BPP and MLK got in common next to their skin colour? they both got assasinated by the same assasin.. ever heared of COINTLPRO?
turn off your tv bro..
Andrew Brehm on June 9th, 2007 7:03 pm

DMZ, I am talking about American blacks, not all blacks. Where do I get it from? From talking to them. It’s not like no black Americans ever visit Ireland or Europe. I also grew up among American soldiers in West-Berlin, and a considerable number was black and the behaviour started among their children.

I do not watch television. In fact, I do not even have a television set. You need a television licence in Ireland and I never bothered to pay for one. Why would I? I hate television.

COINTELPRO were watching all anti-government groups, non-violent and violent, black and white. They watched the Ku-Klux-Klan, the American Nazi party etc. I will gladly group these with the BP, but not MLK. Again, not the same type of people, MLK and the BP.

I am not going to discuss conspiracy theories about MLK’s death with you, DZA. I am sick of conspiracy theories.

I would appreciate it if you stopped wasting your time replying to me and turned on your brain, perhaps. Disregard the conspiracy theories, stop grouping MLK with violent groups, and accept other people’s opinions without blaming them on MTV. (I don’t know what BET is, I am sorry.) You have to learn a lot before the world will make more sense to you. Not all white Europeans watch MTV, for example.
Roman Kalik on June 9th, 2007 10:11 pm

DZA, I have little to add here other than this: believing conspiracy theories is not a good way to win friends. Quite frankly, conspiracy theories support a victim mentality and stop people from thinking straight.
Lotus on June 10th, 2007 10:02 am

I could be wrong, but weren’t most of the kids in that video white kids? It is obvious they would prefer and be more comfortable with their own kind rather than with someone in the black community. WRT to the picture of the Arab and the Asian man, I think many Asian people have integrated more successfully into the melting pot and than Arabs or South Asians, besides, the Arab had a head covering which made him look “foreign”, any wonder the kids related better to the “regular” Asian guy?

Just as a side note: If it were my children in the video, they would have preferred the Arab guy over the Asian one because he would be more familiar to them. Guess it’s just who you ask.
Roman Kalik on June 10th, 2007 11:03 am

Lotus, your theory sounds quite accurate.
DZA on June 10th, 2007 1:56 pm

conspiracy theories huh? this shit is for americans only, to make them end their chain of thoughts with it everytime they think about something bad their goverment did. i dont care about conspiracy theories since am not american, but yeah i enjoyed watchin X Files :p
MLK was assasinated by the goverment to “prevent the rise of a messiah” it’s the truth and nothing else, its not a theory. Malik Al-Shabbaz (Malcolm X) might have been such a messiah too.
anyways, I guess you’re gonna call me a conspiracy theorist too if i told you that the USA is responsible for the COLLAPSING of the world trade center twin towers, but no buddy, it’s the truth, the planes didn’t bring them down.
Andrew Brehm on June 10th, 2007 2:31 pm

DZA,

Americans care about conspiracy theories but you don’t, because you are not American? Do we see more examples of your world view here?

Feel free to ignore conspiracy theories, but remember that that really means not believing in them and not using them as “points” in discussions. Also understand that many people will find it odd if you use conspiracy theories when you try to prove something and then add that you don’t care about conspiracy theories.

DZA, you are a babbling idiot.

And if you think that MLK was a “rising messiah” you understand very little of what MLK believed in and who he was.

As for X-Files, I do suggest that you watch less television. You seem obsessed with it. Not only do you watch American television shows but you also assume that watching American television is what other people obviously do. If you really think that watching American television makes you stupid, do think about the fact that you watch it while I do not.

Here’s an opinion un-influenced by television. Use the opportunity to learn!

(Do you know anything else about Ireland except that we watch MTV?)
Roman Kalik on June 10th, 2007 3:33 pm

Yes, yes, 9/11 was an American conspiracy, and Osama’s really an American agent (note: he was in Afganistan during the Soviet invasion. I suspect that one of the reasons he hates the US is because he was cast away once he stopped being useful).

And Malcolm X was killed by government hitmen, right? We know this because the FBI warned him the Nation of Islam were out to get him, an *obvious* distraction tactic.

Now, would you be interested in buying this fine bridge? Quality craftsmanship!
DZA on June 10th, 2007 4:58 pm

wtf ireland got to do with this? you really thought i was talkin bout your whole country when i said your an mtv head? lol, stupid, but yeah, i know that your a bunch of racist cavemen
roman kalik, so the fbi warned malcolm huh? how nice from them, they are so kind.. stick to that brother
just for your infos yall, i only watched a few episodes of x files, but i know about it, cuz you know.. its my enemy’s propaganda man
9/11 was an inside job, if you saw it away from cnn and nbc influnce you should know that, but nah, yall lazy to think, let alone see..
i aint got time for yall.. peace
Roman Kalik on June 10th, 2007 5:25 pm

I’m a racist caveman because I mock you? And call you a fool?

I’m not calling you a fool because you’re black. I’m calling you a fool because you’re a fool. Fools buy into conspiracy theories just because they suit their predetermined view of the world. Fools live in neverending battlefields, be they racial, social, cultural, historical, or religious.

You label me as a racist to make it easier on yourself to ignore what I say. I’m now an *enemy*.

Maybe one day you’ll understand what MLK said. Just maybe
Roman Kalik on June 10th, 2007 5:35 pm

Having reread the post, I see you may have directed the “racist cavemen” at Andrew and the Irish rather than to andrew and myself.

My reply stands though. Pretend it was Andrew I was talking about rather than about myself.

And speaking of the Irish, they used to be slaves as well in the past. And many European sailors and townsfolk were sold as slaves by the Barbary pirates. Black does not equal Victim, and nor is the history of slavery reserved for people of black skin.
Andrew Brehm on June 10th, 2007 5:55 pm

DZA, you really are an idiot.

You watch American television yet you believe that American television makes one stupid. (And perhaps it does.)

I found it hilarious that you couldn’t even think of any other source for an opinion than MTV.

As for the racist cavemen, I think you will find that Ireland is a very advanced country and not “caveman” at all. If you are looking for caveman cultures, look in the Arab world and in African countries. And don’t forget to blame others for whatever problems you might see there.

MLK was a Christian minister. He came from a family that had named an entire series of male children after the reformer Martin Luther. He had nothing to do with the violent groups you try to associate him with.

If you admire a Christian, please remember to respect his faith enough not to associate him with violent non-Christian groups just because they share his skin colour.

Black does not aqual victim, as Roman said. In fact it was white Europe that abolished slavery and enforced that abolition world-wide. What have black Africans done for the abolition of slavery? What have Arabs done for the abolition of slavery? What have Muslims done for the abolition of slavery?

Before you are proud of whatever people you consider your own (because of superficial commonalities that mean absolutely nothing to me), please make sure these people have ever done anything for the cause you pretend to support.

The abolition of slavery was a Christian, mostly a British thing. Black Africans happily sold each other into slavery for millenia, before there even was a white civilisation. And the only countries that still have slavery today are Arab and African. Makes some people think, probably not you though.

The introduction of civil rights for the black population was also a Christian enterprise. It started in churches, non-violently and successfully. That some self-proclaimed Muslim groups (who did not support equality of the races but black nationalism) were violent does not diminish the Christian achievements.

It is no wonder that many people convert to Christianity even if it means taking sereve punishment from Muslim governments. MLK was a great influence.

Think about that for a while.

And yes, I am only saying that because I am white. Just tell yourself that whenever you need a reason not to learn.
Andrew Brehm on June 10th, 2007 5:58 pm

“i aint got time for yall..”

Isn’t “y’all” that new plural of “you” that countryside Americans use?

You don’t hear it a lot in Britain.
DZA on June 10th, 2007 7:11 pm

loooooooool.. you sick fuck andrew, no i didnt think of anything else than MTV, cuz its just an expression you idiot.. you think ill spend my whole day here THINKING of shit to tell you? no bro, i got a life, you should get one too
and what is it with you people and this non-violent shit? your most GLORIOUS revolutions, the french revolution was a bloodbath.. that “turn the other cheek” philosophy is buillshit. and guess what, i don’t have much respect for MLK like you think, the idea of his christanity disgusts me, cuz christanity is nothing but the biggest LIE in history, thanks to the romans of course.
and oh, Britain didn’t really care about slaves, it was just an execuse to start their imperialism, they committed worst atrocities btw.
and that shit was funny about my african people being cavemen, nigga we dwelled the earth when you though its flat, and those arabs you dissing brought the light to your dark ages while you were chasing “witches” and burning scientists alive. what am i doing here? givin you history lessons? damn

and please, i talk the way i wanna talk, don’t try to act like you know me, cuz you don’t..
roman kalik, my skin is not black unfourtunatly, here in sudan they call me a HALABY .. but i am damn african.. and i didnt label u as anything, but i guess loser fits you.. lol, get a life both of yall
Roman Kalik on June 10th, 2007 7:58 pm

DZA, sorry to burst your bubble here, but to anyone outside Africa you’d be black. But nevermind that, you missed my point. You also missed the part where I said that I misread you, and that you didn’t label me. Just Andrew and the Irish. Still bad in my book, I’m afraid.

As for revolutions, those depend on the circumstances. The French tore down a society where the few exploited the many,and built a new society… eventually. MLK lived in a different society.
Andrew Brehm on June 10th, 2007 8:14 pm

I still don’t get why skin colour is so important to DZA.

DZA, I never burned any witches and I never participated in any French revolutions either. Nevertheless, I did not say anything about medieval Arabs but about the CURRENT situation.

Yes, the Arabs of a few centuries ago were a great civilisation. And yes, the Europeans of a few centuries ago were not. But nevertheless, that only means that OTHER PEOPLE have been great while OTHER PEOPLE have not. How is that relevant for today?

DZA, I don’t care about your skin colour. You are an idiot. It has nothing to do with your skin colour or mine.

And while you might have no respect for MLK, I do. And that’s why I am annoyed by your ignorance about his achievements.
Andrew Brehm on June 10th, 2007 8:16 pm

It’s a pity that DZA doesn’t know “what” I really am. In his world view that would make a huge difference, I suppose.

DZA, I am not Irish, I just live here. Attacking the Irish was perhaps premature, as was your belief that all Europeans watch more American television than you do.

Is there anything you know about the world at all apart from a few conspiracy theories you have heard and stuff you make up as you go along?
Roman Kalik on June 10th, 2007 8:27 pm

To add to my previous reply, MLK lived in a society that was built on good foundations. Foundations that allowed it to grow and improve. MLK saw that, and sought to improve. And though it ended up costing him his life, he succeeded.

Malcolm X lived in a battlefield. As a black nationalist, he was no better than white nationalist. Both believed that race was the central aspect of their identity.

Oh, also: DZA, your claim that Britian abolished slavery in a sneaky empire-building scheme was hilarious.
ER on June 10th, 2007 9:51 pm

The Islamisation of Malaysia?
http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2007/s07060039.htm
Roman Kalik on June 11th, 2007 2:30 am

Speaking a little further of revolutions, Cromwell’s was fairly bloodless. You may have not heard of the Glorious Revolution (as it was called) in England, DZA. It resulted in a purely parliamentary England for a few years, didn’t work out too well though.

So they brought in William of Orange to be the new king, but this time the king had clear limitations and a strong parliament to counter-balance him.
DZA on June 11th, 2007 3:42 pm

you started that coulour thing by the way kid.. shit started to get boring..
and yeah, Malik El Shabbaz didnt die as a black nationalist, he died as a muslim

a society build on good foundations huh?
http://www.countercurrents.org/us-ford271106.htm

yall know what? after world war II europe/US are simply the GOOD GUYS cuz they WON the war, imagine a third world war.. lol, we gonna have to forget about mcdonalds and coca-cola i guess, does chinese food taste good? oh, we gonna forget about tiananmen square too if the chinese WON

peace out yall, i aint gon reply again
Drima on June 11th, 2007 3:45 pm

I’m still really busy but I decided to just drop by quickly and check up on things.

DZA,

“the idea of his christanity disgusts me, cuz christanity is nothing but the biggest LIE in history, thanks to the romans of course.”

Correct me if I’m wrong but if I replaced the word “Christianity” with “Islam”, I’m sure you wouldn’t like the above sentence.

I’m pretty okay with anyone saying and expressing whatever they want to say even if it gets racist sometimes but when it comes to insulting religion, any religion, I might start moderating.

Keep it healthy and civil please. Thanks.
DZA on June 11th, 2007 4:43 pm

you really think the christanity we see today is relegion? its paganism.. everyone who reads history knows it.. even the pope himself don’t believe in it.. look at him with an upside down cross, and as i know, thats a satanic sympol in the so-called christanity
http://home.cogeco.ca/~xfile/invert5.jpg

the christanity of today is not the one Jesus preached when he was here on earth, the roman pagans stole it and fixed it in to control the world they were ruling, a world of pagans who weren’t ready to accept the idea of a one god, romans need to control them cuz that’s cash we’re talkin about, and nothing better than relegion to control the masses, oldest trick in the book, make them belive and you got them in your pocket ..comon people, its simple, wake up

“If you think I’m preaching hate its because you hate what I’m preaching, this is historical fact, and I will not change history to make someone feel better about the legacy of their people.”
DZA on June 11th, 2007 4:47 pm

after some searching..the upside down cross turned out to be saint peter’s cross.. lol
my reply stands though
Roman Kalik on June 11th, 2007 5:21 pm

Christianity is more than the Catholic Church. And I, unlike you, have the bloody history that would justify blind hatred against Christianity. By your standards, that is. I don’t blame the sons for the sins of the fathers.

I found your link to a blatantly racist history twisting to be just as bad as saying that the Poor Settlers were mere victims. In fact, what you linked to is borderline hate propaganda, DZA.

The foundation I referred to was the American constitution.
Roman Kalik on June 11th, 2007 5:34 pm

The Indians, you see, could be just as bloodthirsty and cruel as any “Evil White”. Scalping wasn’t a myth, and neither were the human sacrifices of the Aztecs, to name a couple of examples from the Americas.

As for black slavery, again… Africans don’t hold a monopoly on being enslaved, and many African slaves were bought from their own chiefs.

I am sick and tired of victimization and siege mentality, DZA. And speaking of paganism, that’s Andrew’s favorite word. He doesn’t generalize like you,though
Roman Kalik on June 11th, 2007 6:20 pm

By the way, DZA, one can’t help but wonder how folks who didn’t know a thing about germs or immunal systems could knowingly spread illness. Yes, Indian immunal systems were defenceless against European diseases they never encountered, but how could Europeans understand this?
Roon on June 11th, 2007 8:41 pm

DZA -

I would even respond to the “color-blind” racists. Unfortunately, the dna will not let them understand who they really are inside. The low emotional intelligence is like trying to teach someone without rythm to dance or stay on beat, it is an exercise in futility.

The people who place Mr. King as the epitome of Black leadership come with an anti-black/african strategy and approach. Stereotypes and Perceptions must be used as tools and when we learn to better utilize stereotypes to our advantage then people will not use them against us because they will seek tolerance.

Salam
Roman Kalik on June 11th, 2007 9:05 pm

Roon, did you honestly say just now that my intellect and understanding of self (or rather apparent the lack of them) are due to my DNA? That they are inborn?

The racial theorists would be so proud of you.
Finnpundit on June 12th, 2007 12:07 am

And Roon, did you honestly think a statement like “teaching someone without rythm to dance or stay on beat, it is an exercise in futility” is a swipe against whites?

For years African-Americans have tried to get white people to stop complimenting them for “having rhythm and beat”. And here you are undoing all of their hard work.

“Unfortunately, the dna will not let them understand who they really are inside.”

But those are the words of a true racist.
DZA on June 12th, 2007 1:29 pm

roman kalik, i can see how confused you got, replyin onc time after another, relax man

so the foundation you ment is the “American constitution”? the one by Thomas Jefferson? he was a “racist” who believed that blacks were inherently inferior to whites and who rejected the possibility that blacks and whites could ever live together on an equal basis.
and i never said slavery was an atrocity against africans alone, arabs had african slaves, roman slaves, persian slaves, even arab slaves, and so did the romans and the persians themselfs, slavery is as old as civilizations. but it was never based on the colour of skin untill europeans “discovered” the Americas. (they say “we discovered them” though it was always there and it had civilizations on it, funny right?).

and don’t come with that human sacrifices thing, don’t act like europe never practiced that.. still, people of the Aztec and Maya and Inca were great people, just like the egyptians who also had human sacrifices, you see, human sacrifices was a global, problem if i could say, and people got rid of it, just like slavery, and people got rid of that, now we have mental slavery, and i sure you we gonna get rid of it too, by the word or by the sword

and yeah, the spaniards brought more than just diseases to the native americans, or “indians” as you call them cowboy.. lol .. they had to be “bloodthirsty” or else, we wouldn’t even heared of them.
Roon on June 12th, 2007 2:03 pm

Wow - peoople are so sensitive about race - You can call me and use every stereotype applicable to AfricanAmericans it will not bother me one bit. I laugh and take it in stride with a similar come back- Why can’t we all just get alone.

Recent research shows that many values and opinions are genitic based - I am totally the opposite of a PC person. I accept our differences and cherish them and do not care to gain your acceptance in any shape or form.

Your statements:

“I preferred the Chinese guy over the Arab guy and the white guy over the black guy.” “Now, I never liked the American black culture.” “Most American blacks seem to believe that they have to fit into the cool rapper image (and the appropriate accent) and I really hate that, partly because I dislike the cool rapper culture and partly because I find it idiotic to believe that race should dictate behaviour. ”

Any person in their right mind who generalizes in this sense is just looking for an explanation to justify his opinion.

Logic would dictate that the word “most” would mean that you cannot denigrate a whole culture based upon black american youth. Have you ever ready Ebony, Jet, Black Enterprise or Essence magazine. The majority of black culture has nothing to do with black american youth. Rap is only a subset of black american culture and does not represent the majority the black music genre in the U.S.

Blues, Rock & Roll, Jazz, House, Techno, Reggae, Neo-Soul, Gospel, and R&B is purchased more by black americans than hiphop music. It is akin to saying that Britney Spears, Fergie and pop music represent white culture in America and ignoring Country, Rock & Roll, Heavy Metal, Punk, Classical and Jazz.

So because of your disgust with a small but highly visible subset with the black music genre you generalize about every member you see within that culture.

Your right - I am the racist in your world!!!

Fellahin and Upper Egyptians and Sudanese belong to Europe!!!

Salam
Roman Kalik on June 12th, 2007 3:14 pm

roman kalik, i can see how confused you got, replyin onc time after another, relax man

No, what you saw was me posting from a mobile phone that has a text limit. This forces me to post in parts.

so the foundation you ment is the “American constitution”? the one by Thomas Jefferson? he was a “racist” who believed that blacks were inherently inferior to whites and who rejected the possibility that blacks and whites could ever live together on an equal basis.

Indeed, he did believe that. And yet the constitution was built in a manner that allowed it to evolve away from that view.

And I don’t recall saying that human sacrifices were reserved to the Aztecs alone. I merely brought them as an example. In fact, you missed the point of my post yet again, which was that the Indians (a widespread term that I use because I find “native americans” to be too politically correct for my tastes) were no different from the Europeans. The Aztects actually had a fairly advanced civilization.

but it was never based on the colour of skin untill europeans “discovered” the Americas. (they say “we discovered them” though it was always there and it had civilizations on it, funny right?).

He who writes history, defines the positions of the main players. The mere fact that you are aware that the Americas had powerful civilizations shows that way history is perceived has also evolved.

As for racist slavery, it developed due to facts in the field. The first Africans sold to Jamestown held a position of indentured servitude. Many Englishmen held the same position at the time. The racist policies developed due to the availability and, quite frankly, physical advantages of African slaves (resistance to European diseases), along with the slow evolution of said colonial societies from self-enslavement (which was mostly finished at the time, beyond indentured slavery). Economic factors played a huge part.

http://www.innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html

In this, the colonial societies were not special. The same circumstances could have easily been applied to Arabs, with the same results. All that is required is a society that considers people to be little better than animals, slave sources that are from a particular region readily available, and so forth.

In fact, Mauritania had racist slavery, with “black Moors” serving “white Moors”. Said slavery still exists, in fact, though officially abolished.

we have mental slavery, and i sure you we gonna get rid of it too, by the word or by the sword

Ah, yes. Mental slavery. Amusingly enough, it only exists in your mind.
Roman Kalik on June 12th, 2007 3:46 pm

Recent research shows that many values and opinions are genitic based - I am totally the opposite of a PC person. I accept our differences and cherish them and do not care to gain your acceptance in any shape or form.

How.. absurd. I am not a PC person, and I completely accept differences between individuals or social groups. They’re part of what makes us human. But when you start mixing genetics and social science, you enter the hellzone known as Racial Theory. Behavior and understanding of the world around us is defined by our society, by the people around us, not by how our eyes or skin look like. What matters is what people *think*.
Andrew Brehm on June 12th, 2007 9:10 pm

“Behavior and understanding of the world around us is defined by our society, by the people around us, not by how our eyes or skin look like.”

Amen.
tsedek on June 13th, 2007 12:49 am

why are you all talking so derogatory about rap?
I LIKE RAP

so, i’ve said it out loud,

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
jonah84 on June 13th, 2007 3:34 am

Roon- I like you response… your point about generalization about african-american culture was right on the mark… and I had a similiar point view but my command of english language did not permit to express it so well..
The Raccoon on June 13th, 2007 7:24 am

Ahhh, nothing like a pointless argument with a couple of psychotic racists over 50 comments.

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