Defence Minister Says Sudan Will Fight Foreign Intervention

Posted on April 24, 2007
Filed Under Jews, Sudan, CrUSAde, Darfur, Israel, America, UK |

I’m really busy today and I don’t have time to comment much but this article is a must read for everyone interested in the thoughts going on inside the mind’s of the vast majority of non-Southern Sudanese.

’Israeli interest’

When asked if the United States and its allies are trying to impose democracy in Sudan, the defence minister said democracy was not the issue, the issue is the resources. The other thing is the interest of the Israelis and the Zionists.

“They have an interest in South Sudan. Their interest is water and South Sudan has the potential to increase the water flow in the river Nile. We have five schemes in the south which can increase the water level.

“One of the states is Jungli - it alone can generate around 4 billion cubic metres of water. That is why the Jewish state wants an independent south so that the water from the south can flow through the river Nile and into Israel and so forth,” Hussain said.

He added that Sudan is aware of the Jewish conspiracy since 1955 when the first rebellion took place in the south and the group of rebels was trained in Israel under the supervision of the Mossad.

On another note, this article has been circulating around actively and is being forwarded through mass emails by many Sudanese. Intervention is a bad idea. Consent is necessary. Moreover a political solution is the only way forward in the long term. Pressure both the rebels and the Sudanese government. It takes 2 hands to clap.

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39 Responses to “Defence Minister Says Sudan Will Fight Foreign Intervention”

Andrew Brehm on April 24th, 2007 4:52 pm

Does that idiot realise that the Nile does not flow into Israel?
Drima on April 24th, 2007 5:13 pm

Read this:

The US will also divert some of the Nile’s water to Israel using high capacity pipes!

Amazing, I know! A distillation plant next to the sea will cost a lot less and will be much less troublesome.
nominally challenged on April 24th, 2007 6:45 pm

That’s insane!
Drima on April 24th, 2007 6:53 pm

The one I highlighted in bold is fact though.
Roman Kalik on April 24th, 2007 8:45 pm

Oh dear. Yes, lets invest billions and billions of dollars we can’t spare to steal water! When we can build desalination plants for a few million and provide jobs…

As for supporting rebels in South Sudan, I never knew that. I don’t find it surprising or anything, mind you, Sudan isn’t exactly a friendly state and we also supported the Kurds a great deal more back then. Though the claim we were their motivation and not just their supporters is pure hyperbole.
nominally challenged on April 24th, 2007 9:38 pm

Didn’t we deal with the article that you highlighted back then? Why, if it was false then, is it suddenly true a few months later? Did the guy they quoted, who had died in 1989, suddenly come back to life?
Roman Kalik on April 24th, 2007 10:00 pm

NC, my guess is that most Sudanese who read the article fell for it hook, line and sinker. Now we deal with the fallout. Again.

Lord Almighty, how you test me so with the Stupidhty of Man…
howie on April 25th, 2007 1:47 am

This guy can’t be serious…since when does the Nile flow into Israel? Did I miss an earthquake or something?

Do they teach basic geography in Sudan?
Seriously on April 25th, 2007 1:56 am

Sorry to inform you but the majority of black dafurians also agree with intervention, it’s only Arab sudanese who fear loosing power that fear it.
Mohamed Yahya on April 25th, 2007 2:56 am

I agreee with those sying: all the black Darfurians and the rest of black Sudanese from south,east and Nuba mountains are desperately waiting for strong UN peace keepers to be deployed. Since our brothers and sisters have turned a blind eye against Darfur. And no one afraid of the strong peace keepers to be intervened with full mandate,Robust chapter 7, only the NIF National Islamic Front Regime,and their Allies the Janjaweed Arab Militias,and a few of those getting benefits from this government. So any intervention that demands justice ,freedom and equality, is a real threat to the interest of those selfish and notorous guys.
I can’t take Sudan defense Mister’s warnings. He will never be bravest than Saddam Hussain, when he sent the same strong warnings to the US and the Coalition troops before attacking Iraq. But when the troops got into Iraq, What Saddam Husain did !! shamefuly ,he got into the Hoe.underground..
So beleive me if the UN or the US troops intered Sudan today,You will never see Mr. defense Minister and his president Albashir himself again. I bet you…they digged hoes ready for that day. because they knew there’s no way to go. Let us to see.
Howie on April 25th, 2007 3:37 am

To my dear friend Mohamed…

Your English has improved enormously…ah little hint though…”digging hoes” among the brothas here in the USA…well…it take on a whole different meaning

God bless you Mohamed and be well…

But what about the Nile thing? Nile water flowing into Israel? Dude…
aaron on April 25th, 2007 6:12 am

Hahahaha
B K on April 25th, 2007 6:43 am

There are countries around the world that supported freedom fighters for different reasons. Whatever Israeli reasons were for supporting the rebellion in South Sudan are open for speculation. What difference does it make? One think is still in the minds of the power in Khartoum: they think that South Sudanese cannot think for themselves and whatever opposition they show to the capital it is labled foreign ideas imposed by Zionists. It is not 1947 when they duped our poor illitertae chiefs. This is 2007.

Unless the Defense minister failed his geography and then join the army, I don’t see how his claims on diverting the Nile comes about. Being a soldier is not prestigious in Sudan. A old Arabic saying: only those who fail in their lives, becomes soldiers! I have heard these crap several times in the streets of Khartoum, though.
question on April 25th, 2007 3:12 pm

well, the defense minister definitely used a stupid explanation for Israel’s interest in the region. A more plausible one would be the Zionist interest in building a bigger Israel State from the Nile to the Euphrates. I heard many times that the two blue lines in the Israeli flag represent the nile and the euphrates. So could the Isrealis have interest in Southern Sudan as a means to have more control over the region as a whole??? could be possible.
Roman Kalik on April 25th, 2007 3:53 pm

I heard many times that the two blue lines in the Israeli flag represent the nile and the euphrates.

They represent the lines of the tallit, the Jewish prayer shawl. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallit

I’m afraid this is one of those conspiracy theories made up by the nationalist Arab regimes to demonize Israel.
Roman Kalik on April 25th, 2007 3:56 pm

The following link would help further:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel#.22Nile_to_Euphrates.22_controversy
Rancher on April 25th, 2007 4:27 pm

The Nile water flows into the Mediterranean Sea where it is then desalinated by Israel, that’s how they are stealing it. Conspiracy theories are a huge part of Mid-East culture, unfortunately. Texas, however is stealing New Mexico’s water, but then our rivers actually flow into Texas.
The Raccoon on April 26th, 2007 1:11 am

Enromously stupid conspiracy theories aside (amusing as they are)…

Isn’t asking for help from the UN akin to asking for a kiss from a cobra?
Drima on April 26th, 2007 2:37 am

“Sorry to inform you but the majority of black dafurians also agree with intervention, it’s only Arab sudanese who fear loosing power that fear it.”

Seriousy, I’m very sorry but I find that extremely insulting. First of all, I don’t consider myself an Arab Sudanese. I am not an Arab and neither am I an African. I am an Afro-Arab and I am proud to be both. Unlike many Afro-Arab northern Sudanese do, I’ll never deny my African heritage and blood. I am not ashamed of it and I’ll never claim to only be an Arab just to feel good about myself and look down at the poor less-human Africans who became “civilized” through the process of Arabization. There were a lot of great African civilizations in modern day Sudan and Egypt. There was the Egyptian civlization, the Nubian civilization and more recently we’ve had the great Sultanate of Darfur. I am first Muslim, then African and then Arab. That’s how I see myself. I am all those and I’ll never deny a single one. So please, don’t label me an “Arab” and then conclude that’s why I “fear” intervention. It’s insulting. It’s insulting because it implies that I don’t care about “dirty” black Darfurians since I care more about maintaining my “Arab” power. It’s really very insulting.

I don’t oppose intervention because I “fear” that we “Arabs” will lose the power. I don’t care about that and in fact I’d like to see a ruling coalition representing ALL the people of Sudan. I fear intervention because I believe it will mean more war and that it WILL never solve the problem in the long term. Innocent people will suffer more. Darfur firstly needs a political solution. That won’t happen unless BOTH sides get pressured to sit their asses down and discuss a damn agreement. I think the Genocide Olympics movement will cause a real concern for China and will therefore result in genuine pressure being applied on the Sudanese government. On the other hand, Darfurian rebel leaders conveniently travel in and out of Europe. The EU and the US can and should apply pressure on them.

Mohamed Yahya, salam, alsaha wal ahwal, inshallah kulu tamam. I hope you are not misunderstanding my position like how the person named Seriously did. I agree with you that if an intervention does occur, we will most probably witness many people in the current ruling party running away to hide. That’s true but that does not mean no fighting will occur. We will witness many youth being mobilized to attack the invading kuffar “Crusaders”. Many will die and more Darfurians will suffer. If that’s fine with you, then it’s a different story. On another note, if the fighting reaches into Khartoum by any chance, it will obviously turn into another Baghdad. At least the terrain where the fighting is happening in Darfur is mostly flat desert, so probably the intervening forces will have a big military advantage. Khartoum is different. Don’t forget al-Qaeda.

Black Kush, I sometimes hear comments from fellow northern Sudanese that the Southerners deserved to be slaughtered during the war as they worked together with Israel. I don’t like the fact that Israel did meddle in Sudan but I’ll never blame the Southerners or judge them negatively for that. You guys surely had it the worst and I do lean towards seeing Southerners as freedom fighters in many cases. There are some exceptions however. The same goes for Darfur’s rebels.

Question, if Israelis wanted to rule from the Euphrates until the Nile, they wouldn’t have given back Sinai an area almost 10 times the size of modern day Israel to Egypt in exchange for peace and normalization. Plus, the population of Jews around the word is a mere tiny 15 million and in Israel about 6 or 7. That’s too small a number for an area that big. I was there and I understand where you’re coming from. Relax, think and let it sink. Most of the garbage we’ve been taught about Jews since we were little is exactly that. Garbage!

“Isn’t asking for help from the UN akin to asking for a kiss from a cobra?”

Raccoon, thank you. What a paradox.

For those who haven’t read it, you’re welcome to do so.

The Agenda Behind Darfur

Cheers everyone!
Drima on April 26th, 2007 2:41 am

Btw some of my positions have changed and become more refined since I wrote that post. But my conclusion is still the same.
Seriuosly on April 26th, 2007 5:08 am

I find it laughable how you speak of more suffering for the people of Darfur should the UN intervene yet the other option is the status quo, where arab milita have free rain to do as they please with blessing from your government. The same goverment which by some reasoning you assume would willingly implement a long lasting agreement. The opinions of jihadis and what they may do should carry little weight, the fact is the sufferring black dafurians have asked for help.

PS: Jews control the world using kites.
howie on April 26th, 2007 5:11 am

Drima-

Question, if Israelis wanted to rule from the Euphrates until the Nile, they wouldn’t have given back Sinai an area almost 10 times the size of modern day Israel to Egypt in exchange for peace and normalization. Plus, the population of Jews around the word is a mere tiny 15 million and in Israel about 6 or 7. That’s too small a number for an area that big. I was there and I understand where you’re coming from. Relax, think and let it sink. Most of the garbage we’ve been taught about Jews since we were little is exactly that. Garbage!

Yes you are right on the money…why can’t people see this? Israel minus Sinai is not exactly good imperialism. Although we Jews are tricky…and we could like…you know…suddenly pop up from the depths of the Euphrates…blizkrieg across Iraq…sweep through Kurdistand…take a hard left and wipe out Syria…drag straight through Lebanon…submerge into the Mediteranean Sea…swim upstream through the Nile Delta…pop up again on the Blue Nile….cruise downstream with guns blazing and take Sudan and Egypt…grab Gaza back…turn right and throw Jordan in the bag.

Done..easy…just like that.

With Mohamed’s remarks…the man is far more refined than his comments and unsophisticated grasp of English will allow. He also lost about 20 family members and doesn’t know if his parents are dead or alive for 10 years now. Forgive man friend if he gets a bit emotional on the topic…but much of his words come not only from emotion…but there have also been many very ugly experiences.

I think he is more very mad at Sudanese Arabs, but not blindly predjudous.
Drima on April 26th, 2007 6:06 am

Howie, I have no problems at all with Mohamed Yahya. I never took what he said personally. I like the guy and I have great respect for what he’s trying to do with Damanga coalition. I was mainly responding to Seriously whom I disagree with.

“I find it laughable how you speak of more suffering for the people of Darfur should the UN intervene yet the other option is the status quo, where arab milita have free rain to do as they please with blessing from your government.”

Laughable? I think *your* comment is laughable. Did you read what I wrote? I’m not sure if you did because nowhere did I indicate that I would like to see the militia roaming freely and killing innocently people with the blessings of “my” government whom by the way I never elected.

2 options:

A- Intervention. Great, killing stops for a while. I support. Jihad starts against the invading kuffar. More war, more death, more suffering. I don’t support. (unless you’re confident that the UN will help Darfurians establish their own “Kurdistan”, which I’m not by the way). More fighting, more death, more suffering. I don’t support.

B- Pressuring BOTH sides to stop the killing which also means putting a stop to the sick actions of the murderous militia. It worked with the South and North. Malakal today is very different from the Malakal Southerners knew a few years ago. That I fully support.
nominally challenged on April 26th, 2007 11:12 am

Drima,

B- Pressuring BOTH sides to stop the killing which also means putting a stop to the sick actions of the murderous militia. It worked with the South and North. Malakal today is very different from the Malakal Southerners knew a few years ago. That I fully support.

But how? Who is to pressure them? There is this call that the ‘world’ (particularly the Western World, from what I can gather) should be doing more, but you now logically explain (and I accept your explanation) why UN intervention would be wrong. So who is supposed to apply this pressure? And when? Who will both sides listen to? The African Union? Or some as yet non-existent Islamic organization? Or the Arab League? Well, where are those institutions when you need them? If the UN is the only entity actually prepared to do something about what’s going on in Darfur, then maybe it should be allowed to do it. The first part of your option A, “killing stops for a while”, looks attractive. Sure, there might be a subsequent “Jihad against the invading kuffar”, but then again, there might not.

I have to tell you, my friend, that from the outside, it looks hopeless. Can you (Sudan) really afford to sit there and say - we’ll take assistance from these people, but, um, not from those people. Can the people of Darfur really afford this cynical approach? Clearly, Sudan is unable, or perhaps more to the point, unwilling, to get itself out of this quagmire alone. There comes a point where I think you have to say “if it’s going to stop the killing, even for a short time, then we need it.” Because you can’t ever know whether the killing will only be stopped for a short time or not.

A question - what if the UN force was made up entirely of Islamic nations only? Would that work? Would that solve the whole “kuffar” problem? (and, is it even conceivable?)
The Raccoon on April 26th, 2007 1:56 pm

When did the UN last intervene with a positive outcome in a conflict? It is the most corrupt organization on Earth, composed largely of dictatorships and tyrannical regimes of various kinds.

The UN has no teeth to bite with, no mind to think with, and no conscience to guide it. It will not help Sudan - simple. How many genocides happened under the auspices of the UN? How many genocides did Koffi Annan observe from his ivory tower, moving only to hinder rescuers?

Should the UN come to Sudan with military might, you can be sure that there is an ulterior motive of one of the powerful member states at work. Probably China, in this case. Will it coincide with the interests of humanity? Probably not. And soon the corruption will start working - UN commanders cooperating with whomever pays them off or threatens them the most. By that time, Jihad would be in full swing, becaus assorted monsters will use this as a good excuse to consolidate power by sending young fools to the slaughter. Nothing like a good Jihad to bring some scum Mullah to power, and pretty much any excuse will do… and the UN intervention is a great excuse, regardless of the composition of the forces.

The world doesn’t care, people. The world never did and probably never will. Sudan just doesn’t register for most people. Therefore, “the world” will not bring a solution until “the world” is directly affected by what’s happening in Sudan. And this is unlikely to happen.

So, Sudan is on its own. All this talk of UN intrvention is empty. Other solutions must be considered… same as for the rest of the tribal world. States just don’t work in a tribal society. Personally, I think that it’ll be either endless slaughter (as it has always been) or small city-states with strong ethnic/tribal affiliations, hopefully one day united in a federation of some sort.
howie on April 26th, 2007 2:25 pm

I tend to strong agree with Raccoon. Hell…God recognized we are tribal in nature (I guess He should know) and even original creation of Israel was just a group of tribes…really only connected through the main Temple and by their religion…not even a true central government…no king…

I am a believe in federation…I think this is man’s nature overall. Africa has to be one of histories worse examples of “OK…today you belong to this club and this coach…aren’t you proud…be loyal and also realize your old enemies are now your fellow countrymen”.

Worked in Yugoslavia…doing well in Babylonia
Roman Kalik on April 26th, 2007 2:59 pm

Ah yes, the tribes of Israel. The only periods of unity our ancient forebears had was when most of the country was overrun. I mean, you’d think you could have so much civil wars and dissent in a tiny hellhole, but nooooo…

That’s why conquering us was always so bloody easy. They only had to wait for us to start bickering and roll their armies in while we were busy. If the Arabs ever realize this en-mass…
Roman Kalik on April 26th, 2007 3:35 pm

*’so much’ should be ‘only so many’
Howie on April 26th, 2007 4:45 pm

RK-

As fucked up as we are…the Arabs are even more fucked up…and that is really fucked up.
Roman Kalik on April 26th, 2007 5:07 pm

Indeed, Howie, indeed.
Drima on April 27th, 2007 6:25 am

“the Arabs are even more fucked up”

I’m sure, Arabs would say the same about you Jews…

Ding dong, ding dong, ding dong! Hate speech! Hate speech! Noooo!

Hehehehehe, LOL.

As casual as this conversation maybe, remember there are others out there reading!

“That’s why conquering us was always so bloody easy. They only had to wait for us to start bickering and roll their armies in while we were busy.”

Really? And you still managed to control and rule the word?! Damn it, how do you guys manage to do that? With kites?
Drima on April 27th, 2007 6:33 am

“But how? Who is to pressure them?”

NC, I guess you’re not very familiar with how the North-South peace was reached after 20 years of war. More on that later.

For now, I’d say Raccoon got it pretty nicely. And the possibility of jihad isn’t a tiny maybe… it’s almost an absolute 100% yesssssssssss.

Don’t underestimate the power of propaganda. Recruits were sent to their death in the south and they’ll certainly be sent to Darfur… Willingly!
nominally challenged on April 27th, 2007 9:14 am

Ok, so the UN will be ineffective and probably counter-productive. My question still stands. Who is going to pressure the sides and how?
Roman Kalik on April 27th, 2007 11:59 am

As casual as this conversation maybe, remember there are others out there reading!

What can I say? I feel at home around here. But you have a point, one must take into consideration all those who wouldn’t let me into the foyer, even.
howie on April 27th, 2007 1:25 pm

“As casual as this conversation maybe, remember there are others out there reading”

People have tantrums even when you carefully PC everything you say…if they don’t have a sense of humor…well they can go and cry.
Roman Kalik on April 27th, 2007 2:01 pm

*preparies spare handkerchiefs to hand out*
Drima on April 27th, 2007 3:08 pm

LOL @ Howie and RK

NC, I mentioned this in one of my previous comments

“I think the Genocide Olympics movement will cause a real concern for China and will therefore result in genuine pressure being applied on the Sudanese government. On the other hand, Darfurian rebel leaders conveniently travel in and out of Europe. The EU and the US can and should apply pressure on them.”

I don’t have much time right now but I would have answered something along what’s quoted above.
howie on April 28th, 2007 4:37 am

Drima…

OK I WILL be politically correct…I feel bad…

Jews are fucked up
Jews have big noses
Jews talk while they eat
Jews have too many lawyers
Jews can’t jump

Ah…I feel absolved…

Drima- When it comes to Darfur rebels…like Jesus said (a Jew by the way) “let he who is without sin throw the first stone”.

Oh course these guy’s don’t have pure motives. But I make myself focus on the big picture…the right now…which IS a whole whole lot of innocents suffering terribly.

When it is settled…like most revolutions…the oppressed with become oppressors and everybody will go back to a status quo of type and likely not much progress…

Now I am depressed….
Roman Kalik on April 28th, 2007 11:44 pm

Now, now, Howie, if the French could have a working revolution than so can anyone else.

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