WTFishhhh????!!! (via LGF)
Who is responsible for the situation?
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the most important reasons why these crises and problems continue to simmer. The day when Israel was founded created the basis for our problems. The West should finally come to understand this. Everything would be much calmer if the Palestinians were given their rights.
Do you mean to say that if Israel did not exist, there would suddenly be democracy in Egypt, that the schools in Morocco would be better, that the public clinics in Jordan would function better?
I think so.
Can you please explain to me what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has to do with these problems?The Palestinian cause is central for Arab thinking.
In the end, is it a matter of feelings of self-esteem?
Exactly. It’s because we always lose to Israel. It gnaws at the people in the Middle East that such a small country as Israel, with only about 7 million inhabitants, can defeat the Arab nation with its 350 million. That hurts our collective ego. The Palestinian problem is in the genes of every Arab. The West’s problem is that it does not understand this.
Holy Mohammed, Jesus, Marry & Joseph, I’m in absolute shock!!! What kind of idiotic retard says this kind of crap??! Him apparently. I swear to the Lord, this man represents all that is wrong with our region and its people. Gee and his network does business with Israel at the same time. I mean seriously how retarded can this guy be? Sandmonkey puts it nicely.
Get it? We don’t have democracy or advancment because we have low self-esteem and our egos are hurt because of Israel. It’s all the Jooz’s fault, not our own. I mean, how can we advance or succeed when our egos are hurt? That’s the insight of the man who controlls the news in the region top news-source: We are immature cry-babies! Oh, and the west should treat us as such! Get that, West?
Read the whole interview. It’s super revealing and takes you into the retarded mind of Al-Jazeera’s editor in Chief.
UPDATE: There’s a really good debate going on here in the comments section about the Sudanese refugees who fled Darfur and ended up in Israel.
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Well, at least it was original for once. No “evil zionist conspiracy that undermines our attempts at great advancement”, just “the jew hit me, I want my mommy!”
It’s like a free comedy show!
Roman, dude I’m actually still in a state of disbelief. I can’t understand how he’s editor in chief.
Mate, it’s like the Russian newspaper Pravda all over again. A media outlet with a pure political agenda. Propoganda Daily. Whatever did you expect?
There is yet another issue…
If folks in the Arab world are concerned about sterotypes, remember that we in the West get most of our info. from these types and others in leadership positions. The image of the mad or sad or bad or abused Muslim is about all we get.
Think about it
I know Howie, I actually did think about it many times. Al-Jazeera certainly doesn’t represent us. It only adds to the problems.
Oh well, at least you have thousands of blogs to read
Heh. With friends like Al-Jazeera, the Arab/Muslim world needs no enemies. I secretly suspect Al-Jazeera to be managed by the Elders of Zion - nobody else could be this deviously determined to humiliate Arabs and sink them ever deeper into socio-economic mud.
Good job, Elders!
And yeah - haleluja about the blogs!
I second that haleluja!
Bettah be careful with that conspiracy-theory of yours, Raccoon
Before long it’ll be incorporated into the ‘evil-jew’ politics when they’ll discover the satellite services are given by Israel - So, just watch your words (I’m becoming neurotic arghhhhhhhhhhhh 
)
TS-
I have said several times on these blogs that this has been the only consistent voice of moderate…even liberal Muslim voices I have been exposed to and I am not a young kid and I have LOOKED.
Interesting…. “The Palestinian cause is central for Arab thinking.” That kinda explains to me when discussing nearly anything with a ME Muslim, that after about 5 sentences the Palestinian issue comes up.
Maybe that’s the whole idea of Holocaust denial: if it could be proved that the Holocaust was a big lie - or at least greatly exaggerated - then the Jewish state would have no moral/historical ground, and Israel would close down and the Jews would just pack up and go back to Germany, Morocco and Egypt. hmm… Correct me if I’m wrong, Israelis, that wouldn’t happen, would it ?
oh, and “the Arab nation with its 350 million” just where is that ? Where would the “Arab nation” be w/out Israel ? Is there such a thing as an “Arab nation” ? Does it include Sudan ? Morocco ? Kurdish Iraq ?
Clearly it is ridiculous to assert that for some reason, because of the Israelis, there are problems with public clinics in Jordan or the school system in Morocco. But what this guy is really saying (and here, I fear, he is right) is more along the lines of: “If the Israeli ‘problem’ ever goes away, we’re going to have a lot to answer for to our own people. Isn’t it great that we can still distract them from their own problems by waving that blue and white flag at them all the time.”
It’s just a way of keeping the masses under control. That’s all. And it’s very much like the rules for mushroom farming - keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit.
NC -
“keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit. ”
Exactly. Which is why I love blogging so much - it’s a ray of light for too many people. Wish I knew Arabic.
Tsedek - nothing I can come up with compares with run-of-the-mill Arab paranoia… so have no worries, I am not even in the same league
NC, LOL. That was very well said.
Al-Jazeera: Keeping you in the dark and feeding you bullshit!
Can you please explain to me what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has to do with these problems?
The Palestinian cause is central for Arab thinking.
In the end, is it a matter of feelings of self-esteem?
Exactly. It’s because we always lose to Israel. It gnaws at the people in the Middle East that such a small country as Israel, with only about 7 million inhabitants, can defeat the Arab nation with its 350 million. That hurts our collective ego. The Palestinian problem is in the genes of every Arab. The West’s problem is that it does not understand this.
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i dont know if he is retard … but this is the most brilliant summary of the mindset of the Arab/Muslim world that i ever read .. he got it all in 20 lines …
Hey Drima,
OT, but thought this might interest you. And for Israelis out there concerned about Darfur - apparently there’s something we actually can do:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3338581,00.html
From the Ynetnews article:
“I’m not asking for favors, just to work in Israel and to live with security.”
This guy has a point. Israel should allow Sudanese refugees to stay (and work and live). I doubt they are a security risk, certainly not more so than other minorities.
The problem might well be that this would attract more refugees, but I don’t see how it is a big problem. These people are cheap. And they are willing to work. The whole thing might well be self-financing. And Israel wouldn’t have to give them citizenship.
And the prospect of thousands fleeing an Arab country to Israel might very well be the propaganda Israel needs in the west and an interesting problem for the Arabs to deal with (the country is evil but the Sudanese prefer it over any Arab country).
Israel could even give citizenship to some of the refugees, if they want to stay. Some could convert, others could get citizenship in exchange for army service or whatever Israel requires. Could be a good deal.
And those in Israel who fear demographic change might realise that adding another minority would actually lessen the threat, not add to it.
This is a chance for Israel, not a problem. I think…
Andrew - I agree with you, to an extent. I think that the feared ‘flood’ of Sudanese refugees into Israel is overstated, entirely irrational and disregards the enormous logistical difficulties involved in getting from Darfur to Israel in any event. There is not likely to be a massive exodus through most of Sudan and all of Egypt just to get to the Israeli border. If anything, it will be a trickle. And I think that it is our duty to help these people, whether there’s good publicity in it or not.
The problem, where it exists, is one of bureaucracy more than anything else. The bureaucrats have to decide. And anyone who’s ever had anything to do with Israeli bureaucracy knows that that the conclusion is never foregone.
Also, Andrew, I’m not sure what you mean by ‘cheap’ …
“Also, Andrew, I’m not sure what you mean by ‘cheap’ …”
I meant it in the most humiliating and practical terms. These people are not expensive. They will require no luxury and anything they can get will be better than what they used to have.
I didn’t mean they were “cheap” as in “careful with money”. My point is that it wouldn’t cost Israel a lot to look after these people.
AH HA-
Muslim conspiracy for taking over Israel from the inside. Press on our sympathy button…fill the country with Darfurian “refugees” who are, in reality, Palestinian members of Hamas with very good tans from hanging out at the beach in Gaza. Bam…winter comes, the tans fade and then they attack.
I knew it.
Regarding refugees from Darfur staying in Israel -
Legally, if I remember correctly, as long as someone can prove that he’s an actual refugee, Israel has to accept him. Now, bureaucrats are the ones who take over from this point on, and with the idiots we have around here they might decide that Darfur is the safest place in the whole wide world.
My opinion - accept them. This isn’t the first time we have refugees asking shelter, and we shouldn’t refuse them this time either.
LOL @ Howie, you silly boy.
Andrew - I don’t think that the possible monetary cost or saving is a relevant consideration at all.
My understanding is that 60 women and kids were aborbed. The rest are being held becasue they are “citizens of a country which is technically at war with Israel”.
Realistically, I can see some security issues…even if ONE is a “plant”..who would know.
But at least treat them with dignity, friendship and respect while working out the details. I cannot see any excuse in that matter.
Drima,
I read his words differently.
“Everything would be much calmer.”
This says to me: “Nothing would change, but we would be less upset about it”.
Ben
Given that as Bashar claims we have created the conflict in darfur , we probably have an obligation to host these people … but practically its a very bad idea and we should stay off this conflict and in no way to display any involvement in it ..
the fact that a member of the arab league in just three years destroyed a whole population killing hundreds of thousands and expelling millions , should not serve an invitation to israelis and jews to start messing with this shit .. its a purely internal arab issue and given that the arabs themselves don’t mind this , means that the issue is closed ..
if the europeans or the USA want to deal with it , its ok … but any attempt by Israel or jewish communities abroad to raise this issue would immediately provoke a wave of accusations of jewish involvement by the arabs and the leftists and we clearly dont need this …
If the arabs and the world think that they manage the darfur conflict reasonably well , so it be … no refugees and no political refugees .. there is no darfur conflict as far as we are concerned
Nobody - yes, there is that possibility. And then, on the other side of the coin, there’s morality. Is there a good reason for you to choose the immoral path? As you know, we praise the ‘righteous gentiles’ (chassidei umot ha’olam) who, during the Holocaust, stood up and protected victims of Nazi persecution, irrespective of what accusations might have been levelled against them, not to mention actual physical threat to their own lives. Isn’t this a perfect opportunity for us to be ‘righteous jews’? At least with respect to those refugees who are already in Israel?
Personally, I couldn’t care less about possible accusations by the Arabs of alleged ‘Jewish involvement’. If I can save someone’s life, I have an obligation to do that. And I say that as an absolutely secular Israeli.
I vote for NC
And then, on the other side of the coin, there’s morality. Is there a good reason for you to choose the immoral path?
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This is not an issue of morality … or lets say no more than for example was the oslo process … israelis should have learned their lesson long time ago - there is a price to pay for this wishful thinking and moral posturing … and this price would paid by your own people… is this moral ?
regarding sudan its absolutely obvious that in the eyes of the world and the arab world too the jews are trying to exploit darfur crisis to cover up their own atrocities … its painfully clear , comparing the amount of media coverage , that the world is much more interested in calculating the trajectory of that shell that killed 18 people in beit hanun , than dealing with the fate of 300 000 darfurians who perished over the last 3 years …
hosting refugees here is to open a floodgate for the whole region .. people whose future loyalty is under big question … israel did not discover any magic tricks in how to integrate its own mulsim minority and in this respect the situation here is just a little bit better than it is in any other western country …
it may be nice to play into moral authority for the whole world but there would be a price to pay for it … if you are still interested to know what the arab world itself would think about it , i recommend you to read these 2 posts of mine who touch on this subject
Doom and Gloom
rio comes to gaza
Nobody-
You have a point…but the fact is…these guys are in Israel and in prison. They should not be treated as anything other than desperate human beings. While this is being hashed out…but them up in respectable conditions.
Nobody-
You have a point…but the fact is…these guys are in Israel and in prison.
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howie
i can imagine what sort of image of israel an ordinary sudanese has … so i find it highly strange that these people are looking for shelter in our racist apartheid entity… howcome these people suddenly decided that humans (non-jews) can survive in israel ?
Nobody…
From what I know of the Darfur folks…out there in the rocks and sand…pretty far from Internet Cafes etc. I doubt they know much more about us than they have been fed by the tyrannts that run their country.
So…I have no problem showing them who we really are.
Nobody: “its painfully clear , comparing the amount of media coverage , that the world is much more interested in calculating the trajectory of that shell that killed 18 people in beit hanun , than dealing with the fate of 300 000 darfurians who perished over the last 3 years …”
The reason for this is that Israel is a much more convenient place for journalists than Darfur. Therefore more of them prefer Israel over Darfur and therefore more news come from Israel than Darfur (or Chechnia or Kongo).
“He who saves a life, saves the whole world”
Maybe Israel (at least the government-clerks) needs a loooooooooooong meditation-session, cause they seem to have lost their soul…
(above comment in response to the imprisonment of the Darfuri refugees - which angers me a lot and make me feel powerless)
The reason for this is that Israel is a much more convenient place for journalists than Darfur. Therefore more of them prefer Israel over Darfur and therefore more news come from Israel than Darfur (or Chechnia or Kongo).
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mathias
i am absolutely sure that this is one of the reasons…
the country is very small and developed … you take a plane to ben gurion, lodge yourself in a 5 star hotel .. at night you enjoy the vibrant nightlife of israel’s coastline cities… tel aviv has after-parties every single day of the week .. huge gay culture … at day you just drive a few hours and you start taking high quality pictures … a mecca of war journalism …
i should say that the whole thing is becoming ridiculous … the muslim intelectuals of all sorts are right now convening in tehran for ahmalala’s holocaust forum in the hope to undermine further the legitimacy of the jewish state … its enough to read arab blogs or even this interview of aljazeera editor in chief to get the idea of what the muslims are up to right now … the muslim world is in no mood to let anybody to embarrass it with the genocide the arabs are practicing in darfur …the arab league repeatedly rallied behind sudan in its confrontation with the US/UN over darfur …
in light of what is happening it’s utterly ridiculous that we should be paying the price of this conflict by absorbing the refugees while at the same time being bashed on all world’s podiums for beit hanoun and gaza .. its unfortunate that these people are seating in our jails since they should have been expelled back from the moment they crossed the border… it goes without saying that if we give them shelter and let them walk free around, the very next year we will see them on cnn or bcc complaining of discrimination … and how else you are expecting this to be given that they have no experience of living in a modern country … they speak no hebrew and mostly no english .. have no professional skills …
What if the Arab dictatorships would stop trying to destroy Israel? Would that not end the conflict and allow democracy and riches for Arab countries?
Is the Al-Jazeera editor right? Does it just come down to a simple choice? Do Arab countries simply have to choose between killing Jews and wealth plus freedom?
I wish my life was that easy!
Nobody -
the muslim world is in no mood to let anybody to embarrass it with the genocide the arabs are practicing in darfur …
Oooh, like I could care less about their mood? Instead, I say - good! Then lets embarrass the *%^& out of them and at the very least, be smart enough and humane enough to treat those who are already here with the minimum of dignity that our own laws require. Who cares what the muslim world thinks of us? I’m with Tse on this one. Absolutely. And not on religious grounds, I might add.
They will not be the first to arrive in this country without speaking a word of Hebrew. Nor will they be the first to come into this country from very primitive origins.
And I’m still trying to work out what this (or almost anything else, by the way) has to do with the Oslo Accords.
Andrew - If the Arab dictatorships were to stop trying to destory Israel , they might actually have to do something for their own populations, or admit to them that they can’t, in which case they would lose power. That’s all that this is about. The conflict with Israel draws the attention of the Arab populace away from the failings and misdeeds of their rulers - like a red rag to a bull, except that in this case, the rag is blue and white.
ROFL awesome!!!
“The conflict with Israel draws the attention of the Arab populace away from the failings and misdeeds of their rulers”
In that case the editor has a point.
Andrew - of course he has a point. Which is precisely why, unfortunately, he can’t be explained away as a retard. On the other hand, as Chief Editor of Al-Jazeera, in perpetuating this “point”, you could argue that he is being very irresponsible.
Fundamentally, the answer to the implied question of “does he really expect his readership to believe this?” is, yes - he does expect his readership or audience to believe this, because, well, they do in fact believe it.
Does this surprise anyone?
Nobody,
we had more than one case of refugees asking for shelter. None of them made bad publicity for us as of yet. And I don’t remember that the whole Rajar business created any bad rep for Israel either.
And even if Sudanese later complain of discrimination on BBC (do you think that they care that much? Plenty of Palestinians to interview man), the same BBC will most likely air a story on how Israel is sending Darfurians back to their possible deaths. And yes, it will be pure hypocricy of them to do so as other countries aren’t exactly accepting refugees with open arms, but when did *that* ever matter?
So from the media point of view, we’re either equally screwed or equally unchanged.
Loyalty? They apparently broke some mental barriers by coming here and expecting to survive as it is. Let security issues to be decided on a case-by-case basis.
The Arab world’s opinion? Fuck it. I don’t give a flying fuck on how agressive the Arab leaders and media are.
So far, you have given no concrete argument as to not accepting these refugees.
And I’m still trying to work out what this (or almost anything else, by the way) has to do with the Oslo Accords.
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Oslo process is an example of how wishful thinking and pursuit of the idealist agendas ended in hundreds and thousands dead on both sides and immensely worsened the security situation of Israel .. while i myself voted twice for oslo it is obvious that this was a huge fiasco and people who lead this process should take personal responsibility , admit their mistake and leave the politics … i dont blame anybody but there is such a thing that we call responsibilty … olso was a risk and i supported taking it … but now the experiment is over and those who failed should admit it
it is very similar to the point you are trying to make here about initiating the process that can bring dozens of thousands of muslim refugees into the country, upset the demographic balance and actually endanger the very existence of this country as a jewish state … and all these for no other reason than this demagogic we are all human beings and sure we and these muslim refugees from sudan and elsewhere are bound to spend the rest of our lives in these blissfull ‘love your neighbor’ and universal brotherhood … while watching almost any country in the world with a significant muslim minority rocked by ethnic/religious conflicts , it is plainly obvious that this is the way to nowhere..
the first responsibilty of anybody should be towards their own people and this have a priority over these utopian experiments on live humans
Nobody - it will NOT bring tens of thousands of muslim refugees here from Sudan (or from anywhere else). You are, as Roman noted, ignoring the fact that we have accepted refugees before and we will accept them again, without any adverse PR effects, though admittedly with some teething problems. This is not even remotely like Oslo, and I think it is silly to compare it to Oslo. This is not wishful thinking or a “utopian experiment”, this is international law, and is only about answering a humanitarian need. We are not saying - all Sudanese refugees may now come to Israel. We are merely saying - those who somehow overcame ideological and physical obstacles and made it here, have to be dealt with humanely and cannot be turned back! What is it about that that might “endanger the very existence of this country as a Jewish state”? It is unlikely even to have any effect on demographics - it might even encourage some conversions - who knows? (Not that I’m in favor of that, but it seems to be worrying you).
Tsedek - I just read your second comment about your frustration. It is perfectly legal to put refugees into detention, and this is practiced everywhere until their status can be resolved. The fact is that Israeli bureaucracy is extremely slow, and that is frustrating (for all of us, as I’m sure you’ll agree), but the article notes that the refugees aren’t complaining about maltreatment, but merely about uncertainty as to their status.
And finally, apologies to Drima - we seem to have hijacked your original post (this one is somewhat connected, but still …)
NC
it may bring dozens of thousands of refugees from the moment it will be known that israel accepts muslim refugees …. and of course adverse PR effects would follow immediately and this is indeed silly not to see it …because the next question would be what about palestinian refugees in lebanon living in misery of the cages of their camps where they were locked in by the lebanese ? what about naturalization of palestinian spouses of israeli arabs who are blocked from coming here? of course anybody would perceive it as a PR stunt and nothing more …and it probably is …
the sudanese opposition both in the south and in darfur is famous for its propensity for in-fighting even in the face of physical extermination by the arab militias …its a violent culture over there … more than this .. i can assure that many of the refugees who inflitrated israel see it as a pact with the devil .. they came here to claim here refuge figuring out that flattering to the jews/israelis may get them asylum …this is not because they are very different in their views about israel/jews from the rest of the arab/muslim world .. don’t be that naive…
my apologies to drima too
Nobody -
You’re being too negative, mate. Israel can easily absorb a few thousand ‘fugees. Or even give them temporary status as residents until their situation can be resolved. Please note that assorted moshavim and kibbutzim are willing to take them in. This is no different from bringing in, say, Chinese foreign workers - only in this case, you’re doing a mitzva. In case you care about these things, it’s din ger, yetom ve-almana. These guys are all three - any religious Jew is obliged to help them.
And yes… there are being treated fairly and in accordance with international law. Detention centers for infiltrators are standard, and the main thing they are suffering from is boredom and lack of communication. Sending them back to Sudan is absolutely immoral if they check out OK security-wise.
We are not talking about the kind of stuff going on in Italy and Spain - ‘fugees coming in and vanishing in Muslim ghettos. We are talking about people who’d be individually integrated into moshavim and kibbutzim. There will not be millions or even thousands of people crossing the border - they’re too far away, it’s a very perilous journey (as many Ethiopian Jews can attest), and for most of them, I presume, Israel is Mordor.
There is being worried about security and there is being needlessly paranoid, mate.
Uhm. Enough about this, methinks
Nobody - we accepted muslim refugees from Bosnia. Haven’t seen the tens of thousands that swarmed in following that. Nor did anyone think to compare them with Palestinian refugees in Lebanon or elsewhere. You ascribe to these Sudanese refugees a sense of cynicism that I really doubt that people, fleeing for their lives, have the luxury of possessing. They want out, and they want into wherever. Get over your xenophobia and your paranoia, please.
What is more, it is more than reasonable to put a quota on refugee numbers. But surely we can afford to accept some? And isn’t this also a way of putting pressure on some of our not-so-enlightened neighboring regimes, and embarrassing them into taking some action about Darfur as well?
Finaly, on what basis exactly, other than your own impressions, can you “assure that many of the refugees who infiltrated Israel see it as a pact with the devil”?
Heck, this is good material for a post of its very own. What do you think, Drima?
Guys, this Drima is always happy to read the inter-Israeli arguments because he learns a lot in the process.
I know it’s not my business to dictate what another country should do. You guys have well-founded worries. I think it’s natural to worry about the loyalty of those refugees but frankly it would be very hypocritical of Israel if they end up being turned away or stay locked up for a long time. The fact is that they’re already there. Prevent a flood from coming. No problemo but the refugees who are already there can’t be ignored forever or sent back.
And Nobody I think you care too much what the Arab world thinks. If Israel today withdrew from all of Palestine and dismantled the settlements, many people will be satisfied but many will also still want more. They’ll think to themselves “oh so they withdrew, now we can take it further and demand they return back to Europe where the fake holocaust they invented happened”. Who cares what people would think of Israel. Israel and America are 2 countries many Arabs can’t judge and think about CRITICALLY. To them it’s the emotions that matter.
Finaly, on what basis exactly, other than your own impressions, can you “assure that many of the refugees who infiltrated Israel see it as a pact with the devil”?
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NC
i had a very extensive exposure to muslims both in Israel and in Europe .. specifically to Israeli Arabs, Beduins, Palestinians in Israel and Pakistanies/Maroccans in Spain … Extensive means at times living for months among them … this is not a kind of mentality you imagine yourself…
you are just falling into regular media trap the same way the europeans watch BBC and get upset about poor and defenceless Palestinians opressed by the stronger israel …you read these articles and or watch these documentaries without understanding that you are just manipulated in a regular way by the media who is playing on human emotions of compassion and righteous indignation to increase its audience
drima
when i am talking about muslims i dont mean you .. i mean the regular mindset
NC
basically what i mean is the following
the authorities have a very good reason to do what they do .. i fully agree with them for a change and understand their considerations … the media , as far I could see , never provides a reasonable and balanced overview of the situation but immediately tryies to provoke an outrage … the same way as it always does … once again by creating an impression of poor people unjustly and without a reason opressed …
you immediately see people freaking out as if this is the first time the media is playing these tricks …i find it puzzling why people are so attached to these emotions of righteous indignation that they allow themselves time after time to fall in the same trap..
Nobody - I’m talking about *these* particular people, who are refugees, not about people who can actually make decisions about their lives and who can afford to be political. These people are refugees.
As for your last comment, I’m afraid I have no idea at all what you mean.
whats so much difficult to understand .. people world over are glued to tv screens every single day for the sake of tickling once again their sense of righteous indignation by the scenes of injustice and opression from palestine or wherever … in fact it became one of the strongest emotional drugs on which great part of the world has become dependent..
israeli media is playing the same game by feeding its audience with one-sided presentation of the story of the sudanese refugees .. never going into what considerations motivate the authorities’ decision , never investigating the background of these people or the sinserity of their claims …
I remember reading one interview with one of the refugees and there was little doubt that the man, praizing israel and ariel sharon as hard as he could, was just trying to get asylum..
“I remember reading one interview with one of the refugees and there was little doubt that the man, praizing israel and ariel sharon as hard as he could, was just trying to get asylum..”
And why are you surprised? The guy is desperate to survive. It doesn’t seem hard to understand does it?
And why are you surprised? The guy is desperate to survive. It doesn’t seem hard to understand does it?
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i was not surprised at all by the fact that he is trying to survive .. in the same way i won’t be surprised when it comes out that he wants to have nothing to do with israel and in particular with ariel sharon..
Exactly! He doesn’t want to have anything to do with Israel. He just wants to be safe there. I don’t see what’s wrong with that. I bet you a million dollars the last thing these people had on their mind when they fledtheir Darfur nightmare was “wiping Israel off the map”. I don’t think they represent a threat. I also understand that doesn’t mean, Israel should open them with wide open arms but still, they’re already there.
Nobody, I’m afraid you do come out sounding too paranoid.
I agree, Drima.
Nobody, someone who isn’t *for* Israel doesn’t have to be *against* Israel.
Mmmm, I think I’m going to do a post about this today
Nobody, I’m afraid you do come out sounding too paranoid.
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drima
how can i be more paranoid when i see your country fighting several civil wars at once with rebel factions regularly fighting each other !!!
Racoon, please do - we’re so far up to 60 comments on Drima’s post
It’s up
Except that for some reason, Raccoon, I can’t post to your blog … do you think that that’s because I need to upgrade to beta finally? (I’ve been resisting doing so since they announced it …)
Could be, NC… or you could just post as “other” or “anonymous”
Whether there are clinics where it is possible to receive free-of-charge health services, whether there are programs on transplantation of bodies for poor? WBR LeoP
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