So Long Sucker

6 Responses to “So Long Sucker”

1. The Raccoon on November 9th, 2006 6:22 pm

   Ah yes, the horrible torture like loud music and the dreaded, inhuman grabbing of shirt!

   *sigh*

   Stupid suicidal MSM. It will be amusing to see the fucks spreading this bullshit in the hands of some terrorists… learning what torture actually IS.

2. tsedek on November 9th, 2006 7:53 pm

   I liked him. He’s got pragmatism & style. Sorry. But I do. Like him….

3. Drima on November 10th, 2006 12:55 am

   “Ah yes, the horrible torture like loud music and the dreaded, inhuman grabbing of shirt!” That… okay fine… But there’s a part of me that believes in some cases the torture is really bad… Maybe I’ve fallen for propaganda or maybe it just is actually true and this isn’t the only torture that goes on!

   Professionally I think Rumsfeld sucked… I don’t know crap about military strategy but even a 5 year old can tell you Iraq wasn’t going well… As for his personality, I always got the impression he’s damn arrogant and stuck up…

   Surprisingly I think Bush’s personality is far better. He’s a funny guy and it will be cool chilling with him in his Texas ranch… I like his speeches and the fact he’s always joking in them. Professionally?? He’s got 2 more years to prove himself… Who knows maybe he can do wonders in this short time.

4. The Raccoon on November 10th, 2006 3:57 am

   Drima -

   I told you before - torture is pointless for information extraction. There is simply no reason to use torture, if you know advanced techniques and are not a sadist. Given the punishments meted out in sane armies for real torture, nobody is going to do it in a sane state.

   There ain’t no torture because there’s to reason to use it. I think I can’t stress the point enough.

5. Safro on November 21st, 2006 7:04 pm

   I’m reading a book now called “Enemy Combatant” about a British man who was locked up in US secret prisons and Guantanamo for a few years. I would like to assume anyone who reads this book would be against the use of torture for pure humanitarian reasons and the existance of human error in intelligence. But if that’s not the case, he mentions a man who was in one of the prisons at the same time as him who confessed a link between Al Queda and Sadam Hussein possibly while undergoing tortured. He recanted his claims after the US invasion of Iraq but it looks like this was some of the faulty intelligence the US used to justify the invasion.

   His name is Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi.

   From Wikipedia:

   “Some speculate that his reason for giving disinformation was in order to draw the U.S. into an attack on Iraq, which al Qaeda believes will lead to a global jihad. Others suggest that al-Libi gave false information because of the use of excessively harsh interrogation methods. Al-Libi is believed to have been one of the high value detainees who prompted the Bush administration to initiate interrogation methods of questionable morality and legality. These critics suggest it wasn’t hard for al-Libi to figure out what his interrogators were sure he knew, and that they wouldn’t stop, until he told them what they wanted to hear.”

   Even if he did confess this false information for the first reason, I think this gives you an idea of how torture can potentially be very ineffective and, in effect, counterproductive.

6. Safro on November 21st, 2006 7:25 pm

   I just reread your comments above and suggest checking this book out. Raccoon, haven’t you noticed that there has been a big scandal over here over our torture policies in secret prisons and Guantanamo? The CIA runs secret prisons abroad where suspects are interrogated without reference to international law. It’s no longer a secret and there has been a huge controversy over passing legislature to reinterpret the Geneva conventions to make these practices legal under int’l law. Are you familiar with the process of rendition?

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