Yup, today is the 22nd, we’re still breathing and Iran hasn’t blasted any country. I guess we can chill now right?
Anyways, I’ll be gone for 2 or 3 days. Assignments, quizes and tests to focus on. Peace!
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SHOUT OUT TO LATINOS STANDING UP FOR THE PALESTINIANS!!
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This bro is an Palestinian American, really good article, hopefully you can get it, check out his whole site, has this amazing song, PALESTINE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3ol-iuCGU&eurl=
This guy is hilarous!! OMG, and ridiculously smart, may Allah bless him
Anonymous - uhm. Did you ever see a shrink? They say it can really help some people. How about it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqmMdPKw378&eurl=
WHO HIJACKED ISLAM?
Really good video
Oy, Drima, you got a whole post dedicated to you on Sigmund, Carl and Alfred (an excellent blog, part of an aggregation of psychiatrists’ blogs):
http://haloscan.com/tb/sigcarlfred/115625227112888192
You’ve moving up in the world, m’boy!
Yeah, it sure did pass regularly this day -
or it’s a trick and they are misleading us, starting it all tomorrow LOL
Tse.
Ey, Raccoon thanx for the heads up. I’m moving up yaay! I’ve got a little surprise coming up soon too and it’s bound to send me a little higher.
We’re still alive and kicking, but we should keep in mind that the 22nd was a speculation for “the end of August” and that has not been reached yet
Or something equivalent.
By the time you’ve finished your papers and stuff, perhaps you will find some time to answer my question I asked you on SM’s blog?
Namely, what do you think of the Sudanese Mahmoud Mohammed Taha (who got executed in 1985). I am asking you this because of what you said concerning the negative approach towards Jews in the Quran and Hadiths (treacherous; hide behind stones stating there is a jew behind it to kill) versus the positive ones (a promised land for the chosen nation of Israel). You said that scholars state that they are different Jews to which Raccoon said that they just make something up in order to be able to fight them
Now,..I know Taha wanted to point out the difference between Mohammeds life in Mecca and when he was in Medina and believed that the real _spiritual meaning_ had been overruled in many ways by the warrior Mohammed. And thus, the negative connotations towards Jews (in this example) overrules the positive ones. As you can see in his later life he encountered many problems with Jews who did not want to accept him as a prophet - which was in other words breaking a contract (which according to Quranic sources had been signed; which is doubtful because I cannot believe a Jew would sign a contract in which it is stated that Mr X is a prophet, and you dont believe that….. coz that would be blasphemy, right?). Anyhow, this breach of contract was enough reason for Mohammed to attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-8U81HBjrg&NR
WATCH THIS, and try to get his first dvd, IN PLANE SITE, it’s creepy, but it’s logical and I can’t accuse him of making senseless claims.
As for Suzanne, the Prophet (peace be upon him) only found these Jews to be a threat because they were conspiring with the Meccans, I would direct you to a video that was on PBS about the Prophet (peace be upon him), may Allah guide to truth so you may be able to sort fact from fiction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w65OuZ945aM&mode=related&search=Inshallah.
Salaam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1euPBRRxTU&mode=related&search=
My heart is wrenched with tears of grief, these are the people you side with?
Anon 6:18, thanks for your answer (cant watch the videos here unfortunately), but why - if he only meant those particular Jews he said to have spoken in general terms? And does this - what you said - mean that you underlign the fact that it is written in the Quran that the promised land will be given to the nation of Israel (Jews)?
No the Children of Israel as stated in the Quran are have said to have lost the privilige of living in the promised land because of all the blunders they have commited on themselves. This is acknowledged by the Jews themselves, that their earlier people were not the best at following their various Prophets requests. But this does not mean that Jews can’t reside in Palestine, no man owns any land, God owns everything, which is why there is no such thing as nationalism in Islam, the people of Palestine have been robbed of their homes by the Israelis, so to many Muslims this just shows that the Jews from the time of the Prophet and now are acting in the same way, so to revolt against them is to save themselves from oppression. As you said, “he was said” to have made it into a generality, but why would a man who was persecuted by his own people, return to Mecca and forgive the inhabitants if he was not truly a fair and more than noble person? Does that make sense to you? So dispel all the rumors you hear, and find facts, there are plenty of books on our beloved Prophet written by non muslims who praise him as an exceptional human beings, I will leave you with some quotes that will by God’s will leave you enlightened on this matter. Salaam sister.
-”Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammad, who combined all the three functions. To a lesser degree Moses did the same” - Jules Masserman in “Who Were History’s Great Leaders?” (Time Magazine, July 15, 1974)
-”"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only.” “A ’silent great soul one … who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world [that] the world’s Maker had ordered …” - Thomas Carlyle in “Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History” (1840)
-”If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam … I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him — the wonderful man — and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity.” - Sir George Bernard Shaw in :The Genuine Islam,” (Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)
-”Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without the Pope’s pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.” Reverend Bosworth Smith in “Muhammad and Muhammadanism,” (London, 1874)
-”Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born in Mecca, in Arabia, the man who, of all men, has exercised the greatest influence upon the human race … To be the religious head of many empires, to guide the daily life of one-third of the human race, may perhaps justify the title of a Messenger of God.” - Dr. William Draper in “The History of Intellectual Development of Europe”
And if you do get a chance to watch the videos, do it is very insightful, is it the link that doesn’t work, or could you just no get onto it at that time?
I’m trying to spread a message Raccoon, I’ve seen some of your posts and someone critizing something you believe in you foam in the mouth, I give evidence to support my ideas.
Euhmmm…. in the Torah and the Talmud of course things are written differently (which must not come as a big surprise since each religion holds on to their own, Islam as well as Judaism) - so that’s what people believe in, Anonymous
You can’t expect non-Muslims to start believing in the things the Quran is saying, because then everybody would simply become Muslim.
Tse.
True, but like I said the Jews themselves know of their kin from that time. So you don’t have to believe what I am saying, read your scripture about the early Jews.
Anonymous - you have never seen me foaming at the mouth, love. If you did, it would mean that I’m in final stages of rabies and am about to bite you.
And yes, I can see that you’re preaching your own peculiar beliefs. Personally, I find it somewhat impolite… how would you like me to start preaching Discordianism?
Ahhh, bugger it. Bloody religions.
Arrgh, sick of studying… Need to take a break…
Suzanne, I really don’t know where you got that info about Taha. He was actually one of the first, if not then theee first person to recognize the need for negotiation and a peacefull co-existence with Israel. About prophet Muhammad, I really have nooo idea what ur talking about. Quranic sources talking about contracts that were later broken?
Please know I’m not trying to avoid ur question. I’m just puzzled by it. However if you wanna talk about the battles with the other tribes, then it’s a loooong story…
BTW Raccoon, what’s Discordianism?
I was not talking about those beliefs, I was speaking about your views on Israeli aggression towards it’s neighbors and how everyone justifies it as defense. If it’s a democracy than why can they not behavior in a diplomatic way, or is it because it’s a government made by the people for the people, that the actions of Israel really personify the Israeli people. Do you wonder why people in the middle east are confused about this democracy the west speaks of when someone in their own midst is going against the supposed “peaceful” ambience that democracy claims to own
p.s Raccoon if you wanna further this discussion I would love it if you would email me, anonymous_illusions@yahoo.com, I read about your comment on Hipster’s blog about you being a part of the IDF, seeing as how I have never met a soldier in the IDF, I think that it would be fruitful to get to know you better.
Salaam
As to Iran’s August 22nd rejection of the European offer, it is significant to note that Germany announced on August 23rd that it will sell two submarines capable of carrying nuclear weapons to Israel.
The timing of that announcement was not a coincidence. The stakes got just a little higher in the Middle East.
Anonymous, your msg 7:45 AM :
What do you suggest? Give a “diplomatic” solution towards being not recognized and being attacked for your existence …
Thank you,
Tse.
Your not attacked for your existence, even though it would be MUCH easier to think in that way. Your are attacked because your are oppressing, sister, have you actually gone into the Palestinian territories, and not as a soldier, but as human being?
“No the Children of Israel as stated in the Quran are have said to have lost the privilige of living in the promised land because of all the blunders they have commited on themselves. This is acknowledged by the Jews themselves, that their earlier people were not the best at following their various Prophets requests.”
Proof of this statement validity, as explained by a Rabbi
MY BAD, the site is http://youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE
Drima - Discordianism is the faith of Eris Discordia, the Goddess of Discord, Strife and Confusion. Also known as Zen-for-Round-Eyes. Discordians belive whatever the hell they want, but all generally agree that there is too much seriousness going around and that it’s our religious duty to challenge that. Or sometimes we don’t even agree on that - She doesn’t seem to give a flying fuck either way, it’s all Confusion anyway
Anonymous - I guess that all the wars in which Israel was attacked (namely, all the wars Israel’s had) are the result of Evil Zionist ™ oppression? Especially Independence War. And all the various Islamist/Arab organizations and nations that openly state that they want to destroy Israel - that is, that they oppose the existence of Israel and the life of Jews in general - is, of course, just rhetoric. It’s all because of, errr, oppression.
Of course.
//Proof of this statement validity, as explained by a Rabbi//
Your definition of “proof” is somewhat different from usual. More lax, so to speak.
And I am afraid that I must decline your kind invitation to get to know me better at this juncture - I am an extremely busy Raccoon. I would be more than happy to converse with you on various blogs, though.
Peace.
~~~~~have you actually gone into the Palestinian territories, and not as a soldier, but as human being?~~~~~
Yes. I’ve got very good Palestinian friends since ages and have left my children there to sleep-over without fear in my heart something can go wrong, stood behind, next to and on front of their rightful demands to live in honor and self-determination in a state that would not be sorta slavery-outlet for cheap labor to Israel.
I see where it went wrong. I see how much worse it is right now than ever before. I’m working for an office of lawyers that works very closely together with human rights organizations and sometimes one just has to call it quits on violence when it brings you nothing but the opposite of what you wanna reach… and try to win the sympathy of people i/o targetting them and losing their interest.
Anonymous, “we” (Israeli’s) are the ONLY people you deal with. Public opinion, governments, all this is secondary importance. It’s you and me. When we can see each-other in the eye without fearing one-another, and recognize this is the problem, a mutually acceptable solution is within reach.
You cannot just discard me as I cannot discard you (if you’re Palestinian) since we live here - we ARE!!
Tse.
PS - that’s you left comments on my blog? Thanks
Did you like the link I gave you?
Tsedek - hmmm. You can see where it went wrong?
Pray enlighten this Raccoon, if you would be so kind.
//… and try to win the sympathy of people i/o targetting them and losing their interest.//
Well, tad too late now, innit? Probably was a lost case since Tarsa”t, if not long before that.
Very much :0), Thanks.
Salaam
Raccoon, Israel should not have kept on building settlements while discussing peace with the Palestinians. Even for those of them that keep using this as an excuse it still is not and will never be a justified position to take - leave alone those people with all the good and peaceful intentions that keep seeing a new settlement arising in front of their eyes while discussing the borders of their soon to be autonomous country.
The settlement issue is an extreme one. I’m sorry, the gov’t of Israel has every right to discuss issues concerning their safety, but none whatsoever to just keep building settlements -
The Intifada II was playing DEFINITELY into the hands of the Israeli extremists that don’t care for anyone else but themselves, and indirectly to all the moderates that think you can eat the cake and leave it whole. The Intifada II is the worst mistake the Palestinians could make. It has not only set them back to a situation that is by far more worse than ever, it has also created the seeds of distrust for future negotiations. “We” all go by the notion of “we gave them thisandthis and see what their response is to our goodness”…..
It is just time to stop beating around the bush and give Palestinians what’s theirs to begin with. I mean, no matter how a people act, they’re still a people (does this remind you something …. like zionism?) - to punish them all by denying their right to a land of their own you’re only creating more resistance to the right of having YOUR own land.
I’m gonna put up an article on my blog that I read. It’s written by a controversial journalist, but it’s about WHAT he writes that I think is very interesting, and your comments there would be greatly appreciated.
Tse.
Tsedek - uhm, all of this is, of course, true. But only if you accept the fact that what Palestinians want is a state of their own. Well, their chief interest is the destruction of Israel; they don’t even bother managing the territories they have.
And about Palestinians as people - of course they’re people, as individuals. As a group, they’re a weapon in the hands of an enemy. For some obscure reason, I find strengthening the enemy’s weapon somewhat… unwise, so to speak. Which creates the usual dilemma in dealing with terrorists (since we’re talking about people being used as a weapon here): do you forswear some of your achievements as a society to live securely? Namely, the achievements in human rights, humanism and all that?
Let’s not get into the issue of the validity of Palestinian claims to land, shall we? It’s a long and boring discussion which demands too much legal links and excruciating excavations in various documents. Not something I am up to, myself. So the right to build settlements is not something I am willing to research thoroughly right now. But did you ever consider the possibility that it’s perfectly OK?
About settlements - originally, they were not a mistake. We needed the buffer zone, we needed to extend Israeli influence in conquered enemy territory (which is impossible to return). The idea was not sufficiently well implemented, though. With time, it became somewhat of a bother; building new settlements now and/or not enforcing the law in regards to building without permits is extremely unwise.
But then again… how many Israeli Arabs even applied for a building permit before building their homes? And should Israel discriminate against Jews in regards to enforcing this law? Because if you want to start doing it right and with equality, I guess that about 80% of Israeli Arabs will be left homeless.
In my view it doesn’t even matter what is their chief interest. I (personally, but see this as a greater conceptional thought) think one should act outta decency and ethical motivations, no matter how “the other one” is reacting or whatever his intentions are. Obviously, decency also towards oneself, meaning not foresaking one’s own right/duty to exist, to self-defence, to live - in short = acting outta equality principles.
I truely believe that when such line of conduct is followed tendencies for destruction will fade with “the enemy”. You’re getting up to a point where you can say: “you exist, I exist, see what you do with that and don’t come crying over the results if you take the wrong decision”.
I was not looking at settlements from an official point of view, but solely through a human perspective. Whether the Palestinian claims of land are valid or not officially, from a human point of view they are (for me). That’s what counts. If you go through the narrow, winding pathways of legality, history, or whathaveyou, nobody will ever agree on anything because everybody has his own story to that and legality can be manipulated to show a completely different result from whatever angle you look at it. From a human point of view there is only one angle: two peoples, two countries….
I think there goes a different approach for arab israeli’s and jewish settlers, Raccoon. (In your explanation for building settlements). It can not be denied that arab israeli’s do not build their (licenceless) homes in your street or mine, but on lands that they possess. Israeli settlers however, are building on lands they do NOT posses. I really think there is a slight difference here.
Tse.
PS - seen my article on my blog?
Drima, I’m sorry if I was not being clear. That Taha would be (one of) the first to look for negotiation and peace with Israel does not come as a surprise to me. But that was not my point
Taha seemed to be aware to make a distinction between the Quranic verses about Mohammeds life in Mecca and his life in Medina. As Mohammed later became more or less a warrior; explaining things contradictionary to what he stated before, Taha believed that if muslims follow “the latter Mohammed” (thus, to follow the “warrior-solution” over the non-warrior-solution in case two issues were a contradiction) they would actually follow the divine message. I am wondering what you think of this
I know the Sudanese government is not very fond of his followers,… but there are not many of them left. That is, in the open.
Suzanne, thanx for clarifying. The truth Suzanne is that I think Taha was a great man. That does not mean I agree with all his views though. What I admire greatly about him is that he pushed the idea of ijtihad. He acknowledged that Muslims should not simply follow religious instructions blindly but that they must think for themselves. He thought for himself and revolutionized the Sudanese mentality in a very positive way. I am not sure where you get that idea about him supporting the “warrior-solution”. It could be true but I haven’t heard of it previously and I do doubt it. Taha was against the Sharia laws being enforced as it would have been unfair for the non-Muslims to live under them. He believed (like me) that there’s a need to modernize many aspects of the Sharia law. From reading the many things about him I got the strong sense he was a peacefull person who wanted to peacefully co-exist with everyone. As such I doubt that what you said about him is true. Please refer me to where you read those things. I admire him greatly even though Ihave minor disagreements with his ideology.
Drima, there should have been the word NOT in that sentence
“Taha believed that if muslims follow “the latter Mohammed” (thus, to follow the “warrior-solution” over the non-warrior-solution in case two issues were a contradiction) they would actually NOT follow the divine message.”
I am not a muslim - so maybe I am not the correct person to judge, but what I have read about him makes me like him
As you said that you do have minor disagreements with his ideology, I am curious to know if you could give an example.
(I just found your blog through Sandmonkey’s. I was wondering if you were in Sudan or not. Ow,.. and could you explain me why some call it THE Sudan and some just Sudan (without the “the”)? Even though I had to do some research on your country, this never became clear to me
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Congrats with your 20nd birthday. Gee I feel old
Suzanne, ah yes now it makes sense. That sentence had me really confused. Taha was a peacefull dude. If there’s any Sudanese role model I look up to (besides mom and dad) then it’s defintely him and probably only him.
My disagreements with him are very mild and small. They’re focused on his support for socialism. I disagree with socialism. I think a mixed economy is the best thing for a country. Don’t get me wrong though. I’m not a raging capitalist but I do think that capitalism and/or an Islamic economic system is better.
As for the rest of his teachings, the man was our version of Ghandhi. I respect him and admire him greatly. Long live the teachings of Mahmoud Mahammad Taha. Down with that filthy sucker called al-Turabi. He was the one who influenced the ruling party at that time to execute Taha.
Me in Malaysia by the way. The “the” was part of the name last time but not anymore now. People got annoyed with the “the” in the name. It was too long and confusing so they shortened it to “Sudan”.
Anyways…
We need a new Taha!
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