Israel You Lost

Yes you did, thanks to Olmert’s “bully mentality” and senseless muscle flexing in the wrong place. You lost. Hezbollah lives on and your 2 soldiers have not been given back. Hell, they’re probably dead already. Congratulations, missioned failed! The Arab and Muslim world hates you more now. Oh ya and I forgot to mention America too. On the other hand good on you for accepting the UN resolution. Ops wait one more thing, Nasrallah is the hero of the day and if there was an Arab TIME Magazine, he’d be named person of the year. Wake up Israelis! You’re generally good people paying the price for the stupid actions of your leaders. Bye bye Olmert, hello Livni? We could certainly use more diplomacy instead of violence you know. Don’t you think so?

34 Responses to “Israel You Lost”

1. The Raccoon on August 13th, 2006 4:36 am

   Problem was not too much violence - problem was not enough violence. The army was ready to destroy HA by the 4th day, and the stupid spineless suits stopped them. It’s clear to everyone that the suits are crashing and burning because they failed - and by accepting the suicidal UN resolution they have also sold Israel out. They’re done with.

   Although there is still a chance that they will let IDF win before the suicide pact is applied. If they do so, Nasrallah will be named “Person of the year” posthumously.

2. Kranky (in the civilized world) on August 13th, 2006 7:06 am

   Drima, you wrote:

   Yes you did, thanks to Olmert’s “bully mentality” and senseless muscle flexing in the wrong place. You lost. Hezbollah lives on and your 2 soldiers have not been given back. Hell, they’re probably dead already. Congratulations, missioned failed!

   Do I sense gloating in these words? Has a mask slipped? Sadly it appears so. I thought you were different Drima.

   No, Drima, Israel did not lose, either in moral high ground, or in the war itself.

   Hezbullah caused death and destruction to be rained down across a swath of its host country. Hezbullah caused a hot shooting war to be launched. Looking over the resolution from the UN, it is fairly clear who lost, and it wasn’t Israel.

   Hezbullah pretty much destroyed whatever political capital it had outside of the ME. There are going to be some interesting side effects of this, that will leave the Arab/Islamic world howling. You will see in the next few months.

   The Arab and Muslim world hates you more now.

   As if this is important? Drima, when the arab/islamic world is ready to make peace and accept Israel going forward, yeah, thats when this will matter. Until then, the arab and islamic world can pound sand. Their opinion does not matter. There interactions have been singularly and monotonically unhelpful.

   For whatever it is worth, it appears Israel is finally getting over the “you must accept us” view offering peace for recognition. Israel is, it exists, and it isn’t going away. The burden is upon its neighbors and the rest of the arab and islamic world to come to terms with that and make peace. Or not. As indicated before, their opinion doesn’t really matter in the end unless they decide to be peaceful.

   Oh ya and I forgot to mention America too.

   Pure fantasy Drima. Polls here indicate a significant strengthening of support for Israel, a significant strengthening of dislike for terrorists, specifically Hezbullah. Americans are lining up behind Israel on this. They are saying aloud that Israel’s war is their war, and they understand finally what Israel is going through. Of course the media only covers the lefty marches and the peacenik and terrorist supporters. Too bad. They seem to miss the much larger groups of Israeli supporters and anti-terrorist marches. But that is part and parcel for our media, who seem to have a … slight credibility problem … these days.

   You’re generally good people paying the price for the stupid actions of your leaders. Bye bye Olmert, hello Livni? We could certainly use more diplomacy instead of violence you know. Don’t you think so?

   I agree that Olmert needs to go. He is an idiot beyond belief. Probably needs to be charged with treason. Livni? To ready to negotiate. One never, ever, negotiates with terrorists.

   The only policy that works with terrorists is eliminating terrorists.

   Diplomacy only works when the negotiators fundamentally accept other peoples rights to live. This Drima is why negotiations with terrorists are fundamentally flawed. Take a look at europe in the 60’s-70’s. Negotiated with lots of terrorists. More followed. Kidnappings, bombings, and so on, as the terrorists knew at the end of the day they would not be held accountable.

   Now compare that with Arik’s policy. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist. Had a strong impact on promoting peace, and driving the terrorists to stop being terrorists.

   What Israel needs now is someone like Arik. What they have now is flipper.

3. Nominally Challenged on August 13th, 2006 7:58 am

   Kranky,
   I don’t read Drima’s post as gloating. The tone, in my view, seems more exasperated. Apart from that, you don’t seriously think we’ve “won”, do you? (whatever that means in these circumstances anyway?) It is a fact that Hezzies are still far from being driven away, our soldiers have not been returned, and Lebanon, which it is in our interests to bolster, has been severely weakened.
   So just what did we win?
   As for Livni, I’m prepared to give her a go. Arik, just to remind you, is in a coma. There is no Arik substitute on the current political horizon.

4. Bacon Eating Atheist Jew on August 13th, 2006 8:08 am

   Kranky, I don’t see Drima gloating either. But you are right, Israel didn’t lose. I agree, that they didn’t fight hard enough. Israel keeps taking the moral highground. If they are as brutal as the Left says, there would have been hundreds of thousands of dead Lebanese.

   The Arab world hated Israel prior to this war, and will continue to do so.
   As far as making more enemies in the West, again, I doubt they made more enemies.

   And I doubt the fighting is over. It is not in Hezbollah’s nature to live with a ceasefire. I would be shocked if they do. And radical Islam doesn’t shock me too much anymore.

5. AntonGarou on August 13th, 2006 8:54 am

   Drima, I don’t think Israel lost, but neither did Lebanon.Hizzb’Allah lost.They lost any international credibility outside the ME, they lost much materiel and men, they lost in that the USC resolution mentions them by name as needing to disarm and a 15000-men force will be sent to aid the Lebanese army in enforcing the resolution, they lost because the Israeli forces are allowed to react to attacks and are asked to retrat only in moves coordinated with the multinational forces.As to the 2 soldiers my guess is they will be exchanged for all the Hizzb’Allah POWs that the IDF has as result of the conflict(IIRC 10-15- a large comedown from the 1000s that Nassrallah demanded in the beginning).

6. The Raccoon on August 13th, 2006 9:13 am

   There are people who can replace Arik - good men and women who actually give a flying fuck about Israel and have the will to win.

   And Israel might finally be waking from torpor.

7. tommy on August 13th, 2006 4:48 pm

   The biggest losers in this game are the Israeli left - and that is the worst possible news for those looking for a negotiated solution to the region’s problems. The forces of concession and appeasement in Israel are on the ropes.

   By the way, it ain’t over till it’s over. Nasrallah doesn’t sound like he is going to honor the ceasefire:

   http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/08/nasrallah-calls-off-ceasefire.html

   But you are half-right Drima, Olmert and Co. have badly damaged themselves by looking like a buch of…

   …how to put it nicely….

   …absolute pussies without a serious plan.

8. tommy on August 13th, 2006 4:50 pm

   BTW, the two soldiers that Hezbollah captured are not likely dead. Hezbollah wouldn’t be so foolish.

   I do fear they may be in Iran by now, however.

9. Drima on August 13th, 2006 6:59 pm

   Dear Kranky, my post wasn’t gloated. BTW when I said America too, I meant it’s also hated even more now amongst Arabs and Muslims. Oh ya and Raccoon welcome back.

   The whole reason I’m so pissed with this war is that I knew it would probably end this way.

   “It is not in Hezbollah’s nature to live with a ceasefire. I would be shocked if they do.”

   Exactly. So what has Israel achieved so far? In my opinion nothing much really. Lebanon is in ruins and Hezbollah lives on. Not only that but soon there will be civil war in Lebanon. The Arab world’s hate does matter because it manifests itself into more confidence and more confidence means more support for the destruction of Israel which in turn means more future wars. Did I mention Hezbollah still lives on?

   This whole war (or battle to be precise) was and is stupid. The only victory for Israel is that those Katyushas (might) stop for a while. You can never fully defeat Hezbollah because there is “a hand” that feeds it. This war was pointless. All it did was create many innocent deaths on both sides and if you think Hezbollah is weakened, so what? The “hand” will replenish them again. Frankly to tell you the truth I don’t care about Hezbollah and what they do to you. They don’t matter much to me. I’m worried about Iran and what (IT) can do to the whole M.E. region which includes you (especially) dear Israelis! I fear we’re about to witness a catastrophy in the near future. I also fear that if another terrorist attack by Islamic extremists happens, we Muslims will really feel the true and disproportionate fury of the “currently not so fully awake” West. Lord have mercy!

10. Bec on August 13th, 2006 7:23 pm

    Hi Drima,
    I certainly can understand your sentiments. However, there is one thing that came out of this: Lebanon and the world now know what Hezbollah (and Iran) has done. There can be no going back to the fantasy that was Lebanon. The cat’s out of the bag for sure. Israel and the U.S. need to keep the fact before the world community that Lebanon was hijacked!

11. The Raccoon on August 14th, 2006 5:15 am

    Drima - you’re right on all accounts. Yes, the war was badly mismanaged; the Israeli government has betrayed its people; Lebanon is fucked; Arabs/Muslims will see this as the perfect excuse to attack Israel; nukes will fly soon; casualties will be counted by the hundreds of millions.

    And this government is partially to blame - had they let the army win, this could have been prevented. Too late now.

    Fucking 1938.

    *weeps*

12. Anonymous on August 14th, 2006 7:11 am

    I suggest you look up the international solidarity movement, http://palsolidarity.org/main/, this is the reason I can no say Israel is the victim, I have been researching Israeli aggresion since the start of this summer, and what happened in Lebanon was not fully Hezbollahs fault, Israel is a democracy if two of its soldiers (SOLDIERS, NOT CIVILIANS) were kidnapped then you set up talks, you do not randomly bomb a city. For all of Israel technology and its world class army, it could not pick apart civilians from guerrilas, and Hezbollah this guerilla movement killed a majority of Israeli troops than it did civilians, so the victory goes to Hezbollah. As an Israeli arab woman said, the arabs in Israel are dying not because of Hezbollah but because of Israel neglect to give their own civilians who happen to be arab bomb shelters.

13. Anonymous on August 14th, 2006 7:26 am

    Also, check out the archives for June 2006, you’ll see whats really been going on.
    Salaam

14. The Raccoon on August 14th, 2006 7:30 am

    Last Anonymous:

    Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit and some more bullshit. With bullshit on top.

    Hizballah killed 8 Israeli soldiers, kidnapped two and tried to conquer Metula and two other cities. This is called a declaration of war. Capicce?

    Moreover, with the famous Arab mentality, anything but total war as a response would have been seen as a sign of weakness - an invitation for more attacks.

    When Hizballah fighters dress like civilians, hide among civilians, store their ammunition in civilian homes, fire from civilian settlements and prevent civilians leaving by force - civilians will be killed. Very simple, yes?

    Randomly bomb a city? No place was randomly bombed by Israel. Every single strike was done with surgical precision against Hizballah targets, risking the lives of Israeli soldiers so that Lebanese civilians will not have to die. Four friends of mine died so that Lebanese civilians would not have to die - and you’re talking of randomly bombing cities? Make some calculations: approx. 1000 dead, of them over 500 Hizballah fighters. This sounds like random bombing to you, given the fact that Hizballah purposefully use civilians as shields?

    Hizballah did not kill more civilians not for lack of trying. Would it make you feel better if more Israeli civilians died? So Israel is evil because it actually protects its civilians instead of using them as shields?

    Construction of bomb shelters is the responsibility of the local councils. The Arab local councils decided not to build bomb shelters - they did not believe that their “brothers” will bomb them. Well, fuck these 5th column traitors who betrayed Israel in general and the Israeli Arabs in particular: and I am talking about the Israeli Arab leaders here. No wonder so many Israeli Arabs vote for Jewish parties - these actually do something and do not try to incite the population to die for the glory of Allah.

    But hey, your mind is obviously set up. Well, enjoy your up-and-coming Sharia. I am sure you’ll cheer when your female relative is hanged in a public square for the crime of being raped.

    *spits*

15. The Raccoon on August 14th, 2006 7:32 am

    Oh, and you’ll find more reliable, objective and accurate information here:

    http://www.americannaziparty.com

16. Finnpundit on August 14th, 2006 10:05 am

    Ah, the mad scramble to declare victors and losers is on. That is called spin. It’s an ageless preoccupation of those who seek to keep the conflict going.

    I actually enjoyed this little war. I bought stock at the very beginning, when the market went down, knowing that this was an artificial dip that had nothing to do with economic indicators. As things calm down once again, most likely these assets will appreciate in value.

    But, seriously, I think the big winner in the conflict (other than me) is the Lebanese government. After the success of the Cedar Revolution, and the ejection of Syrian troops, the problem of Hezbollah remained. Thanks to Israel, who forced everyone’s hand in the matter, the central government now has a real opportunity to exert its authority in southern Lebanon, - unless the UN winds up snatching defeat from the jaws of victory on that one, too.

17. Solomon2 on August 14th, 2006 11:48 am

    I think the Israelis felt they had to give the Lebanese government a chance to disarm a weakened Hezbollah, with the assistance of U.N. troops, if necessary. That doesn’t look like it’s happening right now, not with Hezbollah refusing to disarm and reinforcing the south under the umbrella of returning refugees. If the Lebanese don’t act very soon to disarm Hezbollah and dissuade it from mischief, how long can it be before the world witnesses Qana III?

18. Drewcatt on August 14th, 2006 12:00 pm

    The only policy that works with terrorists is eliminating terrorists.

    I must have missed something, but when has that particular policy worked?

19. The Raccoon on August 14th, 2006 12:01 pm

    And if the Arab/Muslim world doesn’t reform post-haste, how long can it be before a nuclear holocaust?

    Half a year? A year? Three years, tops?

    And Drewcatt - always. The amount of terrorist acts is directly reverse proportional to the number of living terrorists.

20. aCkret on August 14th, 2006 1:26 pm

    Um…I’m afraid I have something to tell everyone…this may come as a shock to alot of you but…well…..here goes:

    ISRAEL IS NOT CALLING THE SHOTS ANY MORE…
    So the safest thing for you all to do at this point is take a breath and quietly step away from your illusion.
    Israel will be forced to acknowledge Arab resistance and Arab rights…if not then, in the translated words of Hassan NasrAllah: Bring it on baby!

21. tommy on August 14th, 2006 3:00 pm

    Events going on in the past day or two have me convinced a larger game is being played here.

    I suspect Hezbollah is doomed but it may not be clear for several months - maybe even a year or two.

22. jodetoad on August 14th, 2006 3:55 pm

    Israel and America are accustomed to being hated. The Arab and Muslim world is accustomed to hating. This war only hardened old positions.

    Most great religions agree that hate destroys the hater.

    Once again I say, Arabs and Muslims are being manipulated by their hate, as people try to do to us in the west also. We all must open our eyes. We must ask ourselves what the people who tell us to hate really want.

    My own opinion is they want power and wealth, the same as the creeps who have ruled ignorant humanity for thousands of years. How many of them give a rats a** about common people? Does their religiosity make it any better? The mullahs of Iran are the wealthiest men in the country. Decide for yourselves how much they care about common people.

    People have choices. We can choose to let others think and act for us, and we can choose to pay the price. We can choose to take risks to contribute to the kind of world we want to see. We can think for ourselves, in the west we can vote, and we can speak out for sanity anywhere.

23. Anonymous on August 14th, 2006 7:07 pm

    You lost Israelis. Accept it. Hizbullah forced a million of you to live in hot bomb shelters for A MONTH. Bwahahaha! See this

    http://lebop.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-was-wrong-hezbollah-is-much-more.html

24. Tsedek on August 15th, 2006 12:43 am

    Losing or winning - how is this measured? By the military or by the political results? Militarily I think the IDF could have crushed the Hizb, but by doing so would have been forced to make much more civilian deaths (becoz of the way hizb mixes in living neihgborhoods) - but lost because of this. Politically this is a good chance to see if it has won in the coming weeks. The goal was to get the hizb outta south-Lebanon and disarmed. Is 1701 not exactly addressing those issues and thereby making it an international/Lebanese issue? I think that’s a pretty good victory.

    Tse.

25. Drima on August 15th, 2006 1:40 am

    Judging from right now at this point I still consider it a loss. However that could change after international troops come into the south. Whatever the truth maybe, this was only round 1 and merely a battle. The real war hasn’t started yet in my opinion.

26. Finnpundit on August 15th, 2006 7:06 am

    The real war hasn’t started yet in my opinion.

    And thank goodness for that. There’s nothing like periodic stock buying opportunities, courtesy of the people of the Middle East.

27. The Egyptian Observer on August 15th, 2006 1:48 pm

    ST,

    I agree. Obviously that is quite subjective however Israel certainly did not achieve what it ended to achieve.

    It failed.

    Please visit my blog!

    http://egyptianobserver.blogspot.com

28. Drima on August 15th, 2006 8:54 pm

    Ya EO, I checked it. You were gone for a while dude.

    Finnpundit, which stocks are you buying. Let me know so I can buy some too. I’m also invloved in stocks but still learning.

    BTW, just to clarify one more thing. When he I said “bully mentality” I meant Olmert bullied a weak Lebanon and flexed his muscles at the wrong place. Afraid of Iran? I dunno but anyways I hope that makes it clearer.

29. Anonymous on August 15th, 2006 11:59 pm

    simple facts:

    how many hizbollah fighters fighters dead? 300 - 400 hundred? they are not even saying, and I wonder why.

    Israeli soldiers? 50 - 60

    Civilians? 1000 to 50?

    Infrastracture? Lebanon pulverized, israel is scratched.

    A million people in Lebanon ran, a lot less in Israel.

    Lebanon is occupied again, Israel is not.

    If this is what Arabs call victory then they are a sad bunch. May you always be so victoroius, bu having 10 times more dead then your enemies, 1000 times more damages then your enemies.

    Once you get bored with winning maybe you can start solving some simple problems like working on bio-medical research, a bit of computer stuff, you know - something like google, clean energy, etc. You know, something useful to the world.

    And then maybe we will listen to you when you will try to teach us how to live.

30. Drima on August 16th, 2006 12:57 am

    Gee last anonymous, I agree with you on everything. However Olmert didn’t achieve what he said he will do… Namely getting the 2 soldiers back and destorying Hezbollah.

31. Finnpundit on August 16th, 2006 11:26 am

    I don’t know why everyone is gloating about Olmert being “defeated”. The stage is now set for Mr. War himself, Netanyahu.

    Drima, the best thing to do when a market takes a dip due to war jitters is to just buy some mutual funds, as the dip has no bearing on specific economic factors.

    However, some defence industry stocks are always a good buy when war starts. When the New York Stock Exchange re-opened one week after 9/11, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and the like went sky high, as they make cruise missiles (at $1 million a pop), amongst other armaments.

32. Fluent-Sudani on August 16th, 2006 11:57 am

    I would have to agree Israel lost. They didn’t re-occupy Lebanon as planned.

33. Drima on August 16th, 2006 6:50 pm

    Finnpundit, thanx for the tip. I’m guessing business wise we’ve got the same interests. Do you trade or do any import and export? If yes then hit me back on my email. We could probably work something out!

34. Finnpundit on August 18th, 2006 7:21 am

    I don’t get involved in any business that involves physical inventory. Import and export is so cumbersome, what with freight, and customs and warehouses and whatnot. It’s mostly outsourced, I know, but to me it’s just such a headache, and rather boring. I don’t like to own lots of “stuff” myself (I live quite frugally).

    I like anything dealing with soft content, intellectual property, systems, content production, information technology, arts and entertainment, and the like. That’s where the future is, also, as the world gets more affluent, and people already have all the stuff that they physically need.

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