Palestinian Factions & Hamas Agree To Recognize Israel

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1. The Raccoon on June 27th, 2006 9:39 am

   Heh. Did you read the “prisoner’s document”? There is nothing there about recognizing Israel’s right to exist.

   There is a clause there, though, stating that Palestinians accept a Palestinian state with the intitial borders of what is, actually, areas captured by Israel from Trans-Jordan and Egypt in ‘67.

   The document, furthermore, encourages more violence and terrorism - which is not surprising, as it was written by unrelating violent terrorists.

   It’s a PR stunt, mate. Wish it wasn’t. But it is.

2. Andrew Brehm on June 27th, 2006 10:24 am

   Actually… Hamas are trying to make it clear that neither they nor the document want to recognize Israel.

   Ironically, the media won’t let them!

   German n-tv.de changes the report every hour or so from “recognize Israel” to “Hamas denies recognizing Israel”.

3. tommy on June 27th, 2006 1:00 pm

   Andrew is right.

   The media is spinning this as something it isn’t.

4. The Raccoon on June 27th, 2006 1:01 pm

   Even the Bullshit Broadcasting Corporation has set their story straight:

   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5122822.stm

   Pfeh. They try to hard to portray terrorists in a good light…

   This is going to be an interesting few days here in Israel. The government has a very good chance of undermining what little popular support it has by continued appeasement of people who want them dead.

5. Drima on June 27th, 2006 1:41 pm

   This is how I see it. Correct me if you think I’m wrong.

   1-Israel wants to keep the land from 67.

   2- Israel doesn’t want to release Palestinian prisoners.

   3- Because of 1 and 2 Hamas won’t recognize the peace process or road map or whatever u wanna call it.

   On a related topic please check this out.

   http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/05/31/the_busholmert_axis.php

6. Tsedek on June 27th, 2006 2:26 pm

   Drima, look at the Hamas Charter
   Read art. 11 - see that they CANNOT recognize Israel, or they’ll lose the very fundaments of their existence. Read it well….

   There was this docu on tv here a few months ago with Abu Tir and others of the Hamas and Itai Engel (an Israeli journalist) was their guest. They treated him like a king. BUT, eventhough some of them are terribly tired themselves as well of all this violence, they accept also with a sort of non-willingness - but as a duty - that they can never, ever regcognize Israel.

   It was a docu of which you should have tasted the atmosphere. Without any politics, without any hostilities without anything propaganda-like.

   In the end, if you would not think through thoroughly, you would even feel sorry for them having to carry out this religious duty (in their eyes anyway) of destroying Israel.

   Tse.

7. The Raccoon on June 27th, 2006 2:33 pm

   Uhm. You asked to correct you, so here we are
   1 - Israel wants security for its citizens

   2 - Israel doesn’t want Jihadi terrorists to think it can be blackmailed

   3 - Hamas wants to destroy Israel and then the rest of the world, installing a brutal Islamist theocracy instead (google up Hamas Charter).

   It’s called war. And if it wasn’t Israel we were talking here, there would be nothing left of Gaza and West Bank many, many years ago.

8. tommy on June 27th, 2006 8:49 pm

   A Hamas representative said something about this whole issue. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the link I read it at.

   He stated something along the lines of the fact that the prisoner’s agreement contained “not one word” mentioning Israel.

   The mass media jumped the gun on this one.

9. Andrew Brehm on June 28th, 2006 5:38 am

   Corrections:

   1-Israel wants to keep the land from 67.

   No. Israel never wanted that land. Israel never annexed the land. All Israel really wanted was all of Jerusalem. The rest, i.e. the territories that were not annexed, is not what Israel wants or ever wanted (that’s why there were so few settlers).

   2- Israel doesn’t want to release Palestinian prisoners.

   Of course not. Releasing prisoners just because of their ethnicity is plain racism. It would be wrong on so many levels; I cannot believe that the UN haven’t yet demanded it, that’s how wrong it would be.

   3- Because of 1 and 2 Hamas won’t recognize the peace process or road map or whatever u wanna call it.

   Not really. Since 1 isn’t true and since Hamas want ALL of Palestine (including Israel and, presumably, Jordan) I doubt that 1 is a reason. I do believe Hamas are pissed off because Israel doesn’t release criminals just because they are Muslim or Arab though.

10. Andrew Brehm on June 28th, 2006 5:45 am

    “them having to carry out this religious duty (in their eyes anyway) of destroying Israel.”

    Oddly enough the Qur’an says that G-d gave the land of Israel to the Jews, and it also mentions that G-d told the Jews not to turn back.

    I wonder where Hamas are getting their religious duties from?

    There must be a revese Qur’an somewhere…

    The reverse Qur’an probably states that

    a) G-d told Moses that the Jews are not getting any land at all

    b) Moses was also told that the Jews must leave

    c) Murdering civilians is direct way to heaven

    d) suicide is good.

    I understand that the real Qur’an also confirms that Jews and Arabs are the sons of Abraham (and his sons Ishmael and Isaac). Abraham is a prophet of course, and must not be insulted.

    The reverse Qur’an, however, states quite clearly that Jews are the sons of pigs (Abraham?) and donkeys (Isaac?).

    It is an odd book.

    The author is probably the same guy who wrote the version of the Bible that told Catholics to torture people instead of showing compassion during the inquisition.

11. Drewcatt on June 28th, 2006 8:46 am

    Blast… so you mean everything I’ve passingly heard in the American media on this has been a load of hogwash…

    Oh well, I wanted to beleive.

12. The Raccoon on June 28th, 2006 11:12 am

    Welcome to post-1984 Oceania, Drewcatt.

13. Tsedek on June 28th, 2006 6:35 pm

    Andrew Brehm hi
    I’m pretty active on dutch (outta all options, LOL) muslim forums (yep me, an israeli/jew) - and from what I gather they (pay attention: i’m not speaking on behalf of anybody) believe that the Quran says that the Torah as it exists today is a falsified document and that instead of that falsification Mohammed received the Truth (by way of Quran prophecies). The Children of Israel therefore, are not the REAL children of israel (as you and i believe, jews) but the muslims. It’s pretty heavy stuff to understand completely, but it’s got to do with this certain “law” in Islam that makes it possible to disregard a formerly given decree if a better one pops up. Obviously the jews being considered the “children of israel” is not the most favorable text for some who decide that they themselves have taken the righteous place that once belonged to the jews. So, God made apes and monkeys of the jews because they did not obey the religious rules (i.e. observing Shabbath) and they had to be punished and cursed. The curse is they are not the children of israel anymore, because how can you deserve israel if you’re cursed?

    This is also something that I would like to know Drima’s version of, if possible, and when he’s got time after his holiday, because this is just MY understanding of it all from dutch moroccan muslims mostly.

    Tse.

14. Andrew Brehm on June 29th, 2006 6:00 am

    “believe that the Quran says that the Torah as it exists today is a falsified document and that instead of that falsification Mohammed received the Truth (by way of Quran prophecies).”

    That’s true. But among the stories the Qur’an repeats (and therefor confirms as true) is the story of how the Jews were told, by Allah, that the land of Israel is theirs and that they must not turn back from it.

    The Qur’an goes on to explain that the Jewish people would be exiled twice.

    Remember that the first exile was merely 60 years and that during Muhammed’s time the second exile was not that much longer (a few hundred years at most). Muhammed, assuming he really believed, clearly thought that the Jews would return shortly.

    IN FACT, and this is where it gets interesting, Islamic leaders after Muhammed have often told the Jews that their exile was over and envited them to return. In the 1940s some Arab countries’ leaders still thought like that.

    REAL Muslims presumably still do. That’s why the King of Jordan was never quite as enthusiastic about destroying Israel. He is a believer, somebody who believes in G-d’s words even when they mean a disadvantage for him.

    To believe that Palestine must be part of an Arab empire (or be an Arab state) is Arab nationalism.

    To follow the Qur’an and allow the Jews to live there is Islam (submission to G-d’s will as opposed to the pursuit of other interests).

    Islam is the solution.

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